How do you fix the Wings?

[norrisnick]

I dont know if he would come here, but I would love to grab Chris Tanev to have him play alongside Edvinsson. Buyout Holl, move Maatta, whatever but Tanev would be such a solid upgrade to our defense.

Pesce or Matt Roy have way more miles left on their tires.

 

[LeighDx59]

Pesce or Matt Roy have way more miles left on their tires.

I mean, if we have a chance to grab them i'm all for it too. I just thought of Tanev cause he would be more of a stop gap RHD as we wait for ASP to come over.

 

[norrisnick]

I mean, if we have a chance to grab them i'm all for it too. I just thought of Tanev cause he would be more of a stop gap RHD as we wait for ASP to come over.

If ASP is 2-3 years away, that's the first half of a contract for either of those two and then they can slide to pairing 3 if ASP is truly top 4 as hoped.

Roy is a Detroit kid too, so it might not be very hard to convince him.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Again.. we need more talent...

In nets
On defense
Upfront

Watching the NYR/Car game last night and you realize how far away we truly still are..

It's gonna take several more years but it will not happen solely via our own draft picks...

SY needs to inject more proven talent starting this summer

 

[Nut Upstrom]

Agreed. And I would've been shocked if they bought him out. The Kings would be taking a cap hit from the buyout for 14 years.

It's a small cap hit. This is the time to buy him out. Glad Blake is still an idiot.

 

[lomekian]

I'd say he's safely better than Robby Fabbri who's signed for 4 million and more injury concerns.

Yeah, but this only works if we can trade Fabbri...

 

[Snuggs]

Idk, still works, just need better defense. Fabbri's contract will roll of the books too next year. Still have RFA forwards in Veleno/Berggren to sign, likely resigning Fischer, so Idk. Plug those three in if you want or leave them out. Fabbri could be traded at TDL for an upgrade or as a sell piece.

Alex DeBrincat – (C) Dylan Larkin – Tyler Bertuzzi
Robby Fabbri – J.T. Compher – Lucas Raymond
Joe Veleno - Nate Danielson - Jonatan Berggren
Michael Rasmussen – (A) Andrew Copp – Christain Fischer


* xxxx

(A) Ben Chiarot – Mortiz Seider
Simon Edvinsson – Jeff Petry
Jake Walman – Ollie Maata

* Justin Holl
* Albert Johansson

Alex Lyon
Ville Husso (Possible LTIR imo.)

Need to sign a goalie, a depth forward outside the 3 players previously mentioned above or bring rookies up.

Think most people would like something done on defense but, on paper they have maybe 8 quality players if you count Johansson and count Holl as a fringe NHL'er at the least.

 

[Ezekial]

Veleno-Danielson-Berggren is an interesting route and not one I would ever consider. Seems like a terrible situation to drop him into.

It's exciting that we are penciling him into the Wings lineup, though.

 

[norrisnick]

Veleno-Danielson-Berggren is an interesting route and not one I would ever consider. Seems like a terrible situation to drop him into.

It's exciting that we are penciling him into the Wings lineup, though.

That's a line that would get single digit minutes of ice time. Like the OG 3-D line of Devereaux - Datsyuk - Dandenault...

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

It's a small cap hit. This is the time to buy him out. Glad Blake is still an idiot.

Blake is first and foremost an idiot for handing out that contract to begin with. But I would be surprised of any GM would pull the rip cord after one season. I assume he's hoping for some sort of transformation from PLD, as unlikely as it seems.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

I think there's no chance Bertuzzi comes back after the multiple difficult contract negotations his camp and Yzerman had.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I think there's no chance Bertuzzi comes back after the multiple difficult contract negotations his camp and Yzerman had.

Quite possibly.

But after sitting between Matthews and Marner on the bench, he may long to sit between Larkin and Raymond.

 

[norrisnick]

Quite possibly.

But after sitting between Matthews and Marner on the bench, he may long to sit between Larkin and Raymond.

But he'd be sitting between Compher and what... Fabbri?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

The people talking about bringing Bertuzzi back are also forgetting that he's a TERRIBLE defensive player.

He was bad defensively in Detroit. Had a decent year with 30 goals on the first line, but still scored below what a good 1st liner scored.
Had a big offensive playoffs for Boston after we traded him, but he was terrible defensively and cost his team several key goals that series
Tied for the scoring lead in Toronto with Max Domi in the postseason. Was still shit defensively all season long.

Bringing Bertuzzi back is a step backwards. I'd rather just invest big money into a 2RD for 4 or 5 seasons and play mostly kids up front. I don't think it matters nearly as much what Detroit does up front if the defense and goaltending still suck as bad as this year.

 

[norrisnick]

The people talking about bringing Bertuzzi back are also forgetting that he's a TERRIBLE defensive player.

He was bad defensively in Detroit. Had a decent year with 30 goals on the first line, but still scored below what a good 1st liner scored.
Had a big offensive playoffs for Boston after we traded him, but he was terrible defensively and cost his team several key goals that series
Tied for the scoring lead in Toronto with Max Domi in the postseason. Was still shit defensively all season long.

Bringing Bertuzzi back is a step backwards. I'd rather just invest big money into a 2RD for 4 or 5 seasons and play mostly kids up front. I don't think it matters nearly as much what Detroit does up front if the defense and goaltending still suck as bad as this year.

Yuup. We need a partner for Ed that isn't awful. If only Olli were a righty...

 

[13to40]

From what I heard, this team needs better leadership next season. I think the addition of Kane caused an imbalance in the locker room. Was very interesting to hear about…

Larkin isn’t a rookie anymore, but maybe the addition of another policing veteran figure like Chiarot will help.

I think our younger players ready to take the next step forward will help plug the rest of the holes needed in the line up.

 

[FMichael]

From what I heard, this team needs better leadership next season. I think the addition of Kane caused an imbalance in the locker room. Was very interesting to hear about…

Larkin isn’t a rookie anymore, but maybe the addition of another policing veteran figure like Chiarot will help.

I think our younger players ready to take the next step forward will help plug the rest of the holes needed in the line up.

Please do tell...

You would think SY is savvy enough to realize by adding certain successful vet/s could disrupt locker room chemistry.

 

[13to40]

Please do tell...

You would think SY is savvy enough to realize by adding certain successful vet/s could disrupt locker room chemistry.

I won’t say who, but I asked what the biggest issue was this year. How did the team literally collapse during that long losing streak towards the end of the year. The simple and quick answer was poor leadership.

“Leadership was a mess. Total joke. Team was divided and the leadership couldn’t regain control”

Apparently a lot of guys checked out when the issue started to occur.

 

[FMichael]

I won’t say who, but I asked what the biggest issue was this year. How did the team literally collapse during that long losing streak towards the end of the year. The simple and quick answer was poor leadership.

“Leadership was a mess. Total joke. Team was divided and the leadership couldn’t regain control”

Apparently a lot of guys checked out when the issue started to occur.

That's too bad...This is an issue that could return later in training camp and affect the mood at the start of the season.

 

[Ricelund]

I won’t say who, but I asked what the biggest issue was this year. How did the team literally collapse during that long losing streak towards the end of the year. The simple and quick answer was poor leadership.

“Leadership was a mess. Total joke. Team was divided and the leadership couldn’t regain control”

Apparently a lot of guys checked out when the issue started to occur.

I suspected this during that losing streak... something seemed majorly off.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

From what I heard, this team needs better leadership next season. I think the addition of Kane caused an imbalance in the locker room. Was very interesting to hear about…

Larkin isn’t a rookie anymore, but maybe the addition of another policing veteran figure like Chiarot will help.

I think our younger players ready to take the next step forward will help plug the rest of the holes needed in the line up.

It's pretty much speculation, but I can see that. The Wings record was worse with Kane in the lineup than without, and that's a fact. Kane never struck me as a leader in Chicago even when he was clearly their best player. That was always Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Hossa, guys like Bolland and Byfuglien.

Also guys like Petry, Copp, Sprong, Compher and Fabbri seem like decent guys but none are the type to light a fire under their teammates asses. I think we'll see that more from our prospects like Mazur, Kasper, Edvinsson. And it's part of the reason I want Perron back.

 

[Ezekial]

Defaulting to Kane on the PP absolutely killed their vibe. He can make stuff happen but when you go from a unit focused on puck movement with multiple shooting options to a single distributor that makes all the choices.... it was bad.

My tone about Kane changed a lot from the time he joined until the second half of his wings tenure. He absolutely killed the vibe. He was able to do his thing still because he was an elite hockey mind, but the team suffered for it. Don't need him.

Still my favorite American player to have watched do it, but glad i didn't pull the trigger on the 88 Wings jersey.

 

[NickH8]

It's pretty much speculation, but I can see that. The Wings record was worse with Kane in the lineup than without, and that's a fact. Kane never struck me as a leader in Chicago even when he was clearly their best player. That was always Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Hossa, guys like Bolland and Byfuglien.

Also guys like Petry, Copp, Sprong, Compher and Fabbri seem like decent guys but none are the type to light a fire under their teammates asses. I think we'll see that more from our prospects like Mazur, Kasper, Edvinsson. And it's part of the reason I want Perron back.

Agreed on Perron. Whenever we hear about someone being loud and leading its Perron. He was the last to give up hope last year, saved the season with 3 seconds left (as short lived as it was). I just wish he could reign in the badly timed penalties.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Defaulting to Kane on the PP absolutely killed their vibe. He can make stuff happen but when you go from a unit focused on puck movement with multiple shooting options to a single distributor that makes all the choices.... it was bad.

My tone about Kane changed a lot from the time he joined until the second half of his wings tenure. He absolutely killed the vibe. He was able to do his thing still because he was an elite hockey mind, but the team suffered for it. Don't need him.

Still my favorite American player to have watched do it, but glad i didn't pull the trigger on the 88 Wings jersey.

Patrick Kane 2023-24 Splits | Hockey-Reference.com

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There's his splits and deployments. 23-22-5 with Kane in the lineup. 18-10-4 without him.

I'm not blaming him completely for the team coming apart when he joined, but he definitely shares some blame. His first game was December 7, the beginning of the team's losing streak in December. And despite his points, I don't think we can credit much of the team's success to him. And I don't think the team would have been much worse without him.

The more I look into it, the more I believe this team needs to swap some bottom 6 wingers that can win possession, and get a second pair to take heat off Mo and Walman. If they do that they're shaving off GA and keeping the puck a lot longer. 4-5% better possession and this is a 100 point team.

 

[Winger98]

It's pretty much speculation, but I can see that. The Wings record was worse with Kane in the lineup than without, and that's a fact. Kane never struck me as a leader in Chicago even when he was clearly their best player. That was always Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Hossa, guys like Bolland and Byfuglien.

Also guys like Petry, Copp, Sprong, Compher and Fabbri seem like decent guys but none are the type to light a fire under their teammates asses. I think we'll see that more from our prospects like Mazur, Kasper, Edvinsson. And it's part of the reason I want Perron back.

I'm going to go back on something brought up in another thread about the Wings focus on character in the guys they draft. If you have guys who grade out comparably, the guy with the better intangibles is the right choice, imo. Even if you view that guy as slightly less of a ceiling guy. those intangibles are worth a lot.

You get guys who work and grind and put in the time...and are skilled? You start putting together a pretty special team, imo. They become a very difficult group to beat, even if they aren't as purely skilled as the guys lining up across from them.