AtlantaWhaler
Thrash/Preds/Sabres
- Jul 3, 2009
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The issue with hoping for free agency is that every team gets a considerable amount of cap space this summer. We're going to be contending with every team.
Neither of them are forwards, token. We need top 3 forwards. Look at the top teams, toews and Kane, Crosby and Malkin, perry and getlaf, etc. the only team I don't see having superstar forwRds is boston but they have enough talent throughout their line up to make up for that. We don't. A number 1 center, a true #1 would make a difference here for sure.
That is not true I have also done one with Carolina.
Asinine?????????????
I added Stalberg in this one to make room for Hall on the left side plus he is not what Poile was hoping for in an Erat replacement plus we could spend that money better elsewhere.
Boston has two centers that would be our number one and by all accounts Bergeron is an elite center in the league. Columbus is probably the only team out there that is in the playoffs that does not have an elite number one center and the Predators are only 2 points behind them.
the difference between us and the playoffs this season is the loss of our elite goalie. We are also going through some growing pains on D as we are very inexperienced there. Those two combined spell doom for any team and yet we have held on to hope at a playoff spot as unlikely as it may be. We do need more scoring but it would not solve everything like many would lead you to believe...
i haven't taken the time to look at what our gpg is, but it has to be higher than last year. i feel like almost every other game we're scoring between 3-5 goals. it's crazy. now we win games 5-4 or lose 5-1, with rinne we win 2-1, 3-1, 1-0, and it just shows how great he is. I truly believe if we had rinne this season we'd be in the race. hopefully we can continue growing in the goals for column when rinne returns, hopefully that is next year.
i don't want to rush him.
2.46 goals per game (23rd in the league) .... 2.91 goals allowed per game (t-22nd worst in the league).
per mynhltraderumors.com
Frank Provenzano of ESPN: Potential Sellers: Nashville Predators - David Legwand, Matt Cullen, Colin Wilson and Ryan Ellis. Washington Capitals - Troy Brouwer, Joel Ward, Jason Chimera, Eric Fehr and Martin Erat. Winnipeg Jets - Dustin Byfuglien, Evander Kane, Olli Jokinen and Devin Setoguchi. Potential Buyers: Tampa Bay Lightning - roster depth. Colorado Avalanche - Top-four defenseman. St. Louis Blues - Stanley Cup caliber goalie.
just thought it kind of interesting to see wilson and ellis's names pop up in the media. thought it was kind of just a fan, boards name that was being thrown out there. but who knows, i think ellis should net a good return.[/QUOTE/]
They are probably reading the boards lol. Wilson was just being discussed on here the past couple of days. Not sure on Ellis I think he has improved a ton this year and even knocked Klein out of some minutes of playing time. I wonder if his play is due to him knowing the Pred's are going to move him and have worked out an agreement to move him to a team of his choice if a deal can be worked out.
On the Weber talk. It is getting really silly with all the trade proposals. Weber is the face of the Pred's and we need to build around him. End of story. Unless he is going to command a Stamkos or Crosby type. That is not going to happen so the Pred's need to build around one of the two legit superstars we have.
We pretty much have to hope the Avs do not re-sign Stastny, Poile decides to go after him hard core in free agency, and Stastny chooses the Predators as the team he wants to sign with this offseason. This really is the only short term fix to our number one center issue right now. Every other option is long term. As much as I would love to see this happen it simply won't...
I like Statsny alot. Would not mind him here but still not #1 Center we need going forward.
He's about the closest we can expect to get to one for the time being though, and would definitely fill the role better than Fisher, Legwand, or Cullen.
He's about the closest we can expect to get to one for the time being though, and would definitely fill the role better than Fisher, Legwand, or Cullen.
Our chase for an elite center has taken on White Whale proportions.
If you want a #1 center, we'll have to draft one. Because as much as we value Shea Weber, the one thing that's more valuable than a franchise D-man is an elite #1 center.
Stastny compares favorably scoring wise to Bergeron in Boston. In fact, I think his stats this year are very similar to Kopitar. I don't think we necessarily need a Malkin/Crosby/Kopitar though.
We do need to generate more offense. Stastny is probably the only center out there that will likely make it to UFA and could reliably be counted on to score here (see Grabovski).
I'd probably offer Stastny literally anything we could afford under the cap. I'd make sure that if he turns us down, he's leaving money on the table. Yes, we'll have to overpay. But again - I don't care. My ticket prices aren't going down one way or the other. When we get shutout or score 1 goal and lose, I don't console myself with the "well, at least we saved some money" line.
I'd also do absolutely anything we could to get a guy like Draisaitl, Bennett, or Reinhart - which means we'll need to get into the top 4-5. If Poile does some good work at the trade deadline, we could have enough assets to move into that range.
A couple of moves like that could transform the forward corps pretty quickly, and won't open up a gigantic hole (like if we traded Josi).
Probably left to hoping that we're able to draft one. I don't really have confidence in us being able to outbid for a Stastny (I agree that him or O'Reilly are liable to move on at some point) as a UFA, even if we do offer the right contract. Just not optimistic about our chances of getting that piece. That said, if we can't land the key center piece, then we need to start making up for it with wingers, one way or another.I agree with that. I just believe Colorado will re-sign what they have unless Statsny just wants out. Ryan O'Reilly might be who they trade and re-sign Statsny but who knows.
We need someone know but how are we going to address this going forward?
We are going to have to draft that #1 Center? Maybe we get a little luck and win the draft lottery who knows?
Edmonton with all that talent is the worst team in the Western Conference. They have scored 8 more goals than the Predators with what on paper is astronomicaly more talent. The Predators have also played an entire season without a Veznia finalist Goalie and a defensive core except Weber that is younger than some College teams. What is appealing about becoming the Oilers? Taylor Hall is not worth Weber, the 1st round pick could become a bust (as the great Hugh Durham once said "potential means you haven't ever done anything"), and Marincin is NOT a replacement for Weber. Also this market is not going to accept the type of rebuilding that the Oilers are having, Weber is the freaking face of the franchise, he sells tickets. Also learn from history how did St. Louis do after trading Pronger to Edmonton?It has nothing to do with Weber.
I do not have an obsession with trading him unless it vastly improves our team on the offensive side.
The deal I have mentioned gives us Taylor Hall who is currently 11th in the NHL in Points and Edmonton's 2014 1st which could land us that Potential #1 Center(Sam Reinhart, Sam Bennett, or Leon Draisaitl) and Marincin who is 6-5 and only 21 year old LHD.
I believe it will do Forsberg some good to be in Admirals uniform for now. Just like next year Aberg will probably need a year or two in the minors once he gets here. These type players could be what we are waiting for here in Smashivlle but until we get a #1 Center it will not matter.
We continue to be just good enough to not get those elite draft picks. Last year was our chance and look how luck or the hockey gods or whatever you want to call it treated us we got another stud defenseman in Jones. Now people are calling for us to spend big money on players who may make us a little better but still not fix the long term problem. Yes a Vanek-Statsny-Hornqvist line makes me excited just like everyone else. We need that #1 Center that we are going to have to draft. This year has three that I have mentioned above that will go in the top five. We are going to have to decide to either rebuild this hot mess or to live with mediocre hockey that will contine to land you picks in the 8-16 range.
those guys won't even make it to free agency... I wish they would but nope.
Also unless Trotz in traded to Edmonton too,getting young kids that do not play defense is a recipe for disaster.
Boston has two centers that would be our number one and by all accounts Bergeron is an elite center in the league. Columbus is probably the only team out there that is in the playoffs that does not have an elite number one center and the Predators are only 2 points behind them.
Edmonton with all that talent is the worst team in the Western Conference. They have scored 8 more goals than the Predators with what on paper is astronomicaly more talent. The Predators have also played an entire season without a Veznia finalist Goalie and a defensive core except Weber that is younger than some College teams. What is appealing about becoming the Oilers? Taylor Hall is not worth Weber, the 1st round pick could become a bust (as the great Hugh Durham once said "potential means you haven't ever done anything"), and Marincin is NOT a replacement for Weber. Also this market is not going to accept the type of rebuilding that the Oilers are having, Weber is the freaking face of the franchise, he sells tickets. Also learn from history how did St. Louis do after trading Pronger to Edmonton?
Neither of them are forwards, token. We need top 3 forwards. Look at the top teams, toews and Kane, Crosby and Malkin, perry and getlaf, etc. the only team I don't see having superstar forwRds is boston but they have enough talent throughout their line up to make up for that. We don't. A number 1 center, a true #1 would make a difference here for sure.
I am not saying it wouldn't make a difference. It would. Everyone is hung up on a center, I am not. I just want 2-3 0 point forwards to develop, no matter their position. We have guys with the potential, and most of them are still young, even though they have played a bunch coming up. I tend to hope that the fruits to the labor of watching them develop is coming
Why not? Look at Boston,Anahiem,LA,Chicago,Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh ......
They have something we do not. #1 Center and what else
for starters....in 07, Andy McDonald was Anaheims big bad number one center. They won because of that worthless dman Chris Pronger and his worthless aging sidekick scott neidermeyer.
Boston--Bergeron would be a number once center here....and his numbers would loo like David Legwands playing with Nick Spaling, Eric Nystrom or whatever other grinder du jour we have.
LA, Chicago and Pitt, yes. they have number one centers. LA also had 2 superstars in Kopitar and Doughty and Carter to an extent with Quick coming on. Pittsburg had 2 superstars as well with 87 and 71, with Staal and Fleury as very very very good players. Chicago had stars everywhere.