...?Yes, Severson playing with JOHN MOORE helps his corsi. Lmao. You clearly have no idea what you’re saying.
...?Yes, Severson playing with JOHN MOORE helps his corsi. Lmao. You clearly have no idea what you’re saying.
I know people go over board with the advanced stats.BRAAAAAAUUUUUN!!!!
But yeah.....I'm not a fan of statistics.
I'm a fan of Hockey.
Interestingly they were very good together last year.Yes, Severson playing with JOHN MOORE helps his corsi. Lmao. You clearly have no idea what you’re saying.
Actually if you score on the PP it does not factor into +/-.Hmm. What stat do you click when you are on the ice at even strength or on the power play, and the puck goes in the net? It seems like they should have an analytic for that as it would seem to be more important....
Oh, nevermind - that's +/- and everyone knows that's a flawed stat that doesn't tell ANYTHING....
I know people go over board with the advanced stats.
But advanced stats, and traditional statistics, give us a basis on which we can support our opinions.
Without these stats, you can basically say whatever comes into your head as "That's how I see it".
The relative corsi is usually how a player performs in comparison to other players. So a player might have a -corsi rating overall, but still be a + in the relative corsi category. For instance, Severson a +5.2 relative corsi, but his overall corsi is still 49.2%.Okay I'll bite, what the **** is CF+ rel and why should I care? Besides being another version of Corsi also biased toward shot totals.
He's already on record saying something like ''We don't really pay attention to the quantity of shots, we look more at the quality of them'' last year, and his system proves that this year. What he seems to be going for is one of those Carlyle systems, where we cash in on breakaways/odd man breaks and ''High-Danger scoring chances'', but get outshot on the other end and sometimes hold on for dear life.
So I still don't think you can say, despite the record, that this is both a good team and a well coached team. I don't think you can have it both ways with what we've seen so far. I lean towards it being an okay team, that's still not very well coached.
I still don't believe the 12-13 Devils were as good as their possession stats. I think the fact that we were almost always playing from behind when the goaltending went to hell in February, just put us behind the eight ball in most games. We were already in a hole early in most of those games, and almost always had to battle back from behind, due to questionable goaltending.So this begs the question.
Is it better to have a 2012-13 DeBoer coached Devils that looks good on paper but doesn't produce wins? Or a Carlyle/Hynes type team that looks poor on the stat sheet but still produces wins?
Not saying Hynes is a good coach, but I don't like the idea of holding the past couple years against him as indicative of how he wants to play. Our teams have been flawed and it still is now.
We're actually generating quite a few more chances this year, than we did in most of DeBoer's years, but we're also allowing a ton more.
Put simply, the Devils defensive group is exposed if the forwards aren't dominating the game. They did do a relatively good job of mitigating St. Louis' chances last night, but the forwards couldn't sustain any pressure/attack and our defense isn't good enough to control the game.
We're really missing a stabilizing force on the back-end. Greene isn't that any more and it shows. Severson, Santini, and Mueller have no one to get paired with that they can trust and play their game, especially against better teams.
I mostly just think he's not a good X's and O's coach. I think the team is definitely buying in right now, and this is the system that he's trying to play. If Severson is out for Lovejoy tomorrow night, he's really off his rocker, as we played a POOR defensive game (even though it was just one period, it was bad enough for an entire game's worth), Lovejoy sucked again, Lovejoy really shouldn't be in anyway. I'd be more understanding if we never had benched him for most games in the first place.I don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole that is another DeBoer conversation. It was more just for a comparison sake.
I think this year should be the best case of judging Hynes. The last couple years, there was way too much junk on the roster. You replaced junk with junk and had people getting stressed out that Kalinin was playing over Matteau or Bennett when in reality, they all sucked. It was either terrible stop gaps or mistake-prone youth so there was really no winning with any roster decision.
Hynes has had by far his best personnel this year and his usage so far has been strong. Some bone-headed moves (particularly benching) at times, but they've all been for a good purpose and valid reasoning. In my opinion, he's managing the defense as well as he can given what he has and he's made some great decisions as far as the forwards go. He's managed to get the Devils to battle every night, respond to adversity, and stay competitive despite a ridiculous schedule and a myriad of injuries.
It is more Greene can’t be the only one.
You need two pillars at least on D.
I mostly just think he's not a good X's and O's coach. I think the team is definitely buying in right now, and this is the system that he's trying to play. If Severson is out for Lovejoy tomorrow night, he's really off his rocker, as we played a POOR defensive game (even though it was just one period, it was bad enough for an entire game's worth), Lovejoy sucked again, Lovejoy really shouldn't be in anyway. I'd be more understanding if we never had benched him for most games in the first place.
I won't be calling for his head at any point before this season ends, but with the best start in franchise history, if we do miss the playoffs, I don't think we should bring him back for another kick at the can, barring multiple important people being injured long term. And Zajac's injury up to this point, shouldn't factor in to an excuse when the season ends, as we (so far) have a pretty good record without him.
I think the best way to play defense is to attack and be in the O-zone more than not. Standing around and defending (like the 3rd period against Vancouver) is a bad way to go.The issue with the Devils under Hynes the last couple years is that when the games get tighter, Devils aren't doing the little things that help them win. You watched the Blues last night and even when the Devils were dictating the play, the Blues managed to be in control of the game. They played the disruption game -- same thing the Devils struggled with against the Capitals. Not giving any space, using their body to slow players down, using their sticks to deflect passes or break up rushes, etc.
Devils haven't seemed to play that same way under Hynes. Only year they sort of did it was his first year when they were loaded with veteran players who played that way due to experience. Luckily for Hynes, he's gotten an influx of guys who play focused and smart (Hischier, Santini, Bratt, and I'd put Butcher there as well) but there's still a lot of guys that need some work there (Zacha, Severson, Wood although he's improved, and Mueller). Moore's in the latter group, but I've given up on him. Hall's another guy I'd like to see them enforce some better habits into, but at least he generally has a positive impact.
The high flying game is fun and all, but the structured, discipline play is what consistently wins you games. I'd like to see Hynes do a better job at reinforcing that area of the game -- just about every perennially successful team has had a defensively-oriented coach provide the foundation.
Pavel Zacha scored/is scoring at a ~30 point pace as a 19/20 year old between this year and last, with most of that time being on a horrific offensive team and playing with not very good players like Josefson, Hayes, etc.
PATIENCE. Not every player develops at the same speed. Zacha has already tremendously improved his defensive game from what I have seen.
I think I have most of the statistics from these stupid Severson vs Santini debates memorized after seeing them so many times
It brings me back to the not so long ago debates about Merrill and Larsson.I think I have most of the statistics from these stupid Severson vs Santini debates memorized after seeing them so many times
I agree. Merill is/was probably the most overrated defenseman we had in the past 5 yearsIt brings me back to the not so long ago debates about Merrill and Larsson.
I think there was a even a time where a couple people actually thought Merrill was better than Severson.
As far as overrated goes, I think Merrill was the most overrated prospect we’ve had in some time. Santini never brought this kind of hype before he turned pro, neither did Severson. All I heard about Merrill from 2010-2013 (and probably trough 2014) was how much of a stud he was, and how he should have went in the first round, if not for attitude/off-ice issues.