Value of: Holtby to Carolina

[Misery74]

Fluery and a first for Holtby seems reasonable to me.

This was would also help the Caps resign Carlson.

 

[Lovsan]

Koskinen please

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Koskinen please

Huh?

 

[DaveG]

Yeah it won't be Fleury + #11.
2019 first maybe, or 2018 second or equivalent prospect sure. But Canes aren't going to give away what's essentially a top 10 pick (Fleury) and a top 15 pick for a goalie. Especially not one that isn't coming off the strongest of seasons.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Can do a Build-A-Holtby Canes Workshop:

Pick One: #11 OA, Justin Faulk, Haydn Fluery, Jake Bean, Jeff Skinner (50% retained)
Pick One: Janne Kuokkanen, Aleksi Saarela, Julien Gauthier, Nic Roy, Lucas Wallmark, 2018 2nd

Mix and match to your heart's content.

To reiterate, I love Holtby, but this post makes no sense. That first group is not all equal value, as you're implying.

 

[GoldiFox]

To reiterate, I love Holtby, but this post makes no sense. That first group is not all equal value, as you're implying.

Indeed. But value is somewhat subjective and this options gives a little something for everyone. The concept is the same regardless: Centerpiece and sweetener.

Centerpiece:
Washington potentially needs a RHD if Carlson leaves (Faulk). Washington could use cheap scoring wingers (Skinner at 50%). All teams like top prospects/picks (#11, Bean, Fleury). The difference in value between a recent ~#10 pick (Bean or Fleury) and a current #11 pick and 1-2 years (rental value) of Faulk/Skinner is small for me. For sure some team may pay more for Faulk or Skinner or a top pick at the Draft. I don’t know individual team GM’s preferences so I paint with a broad brush.

Sweetener: Washington needs cheap young scoring forwards. Kuokkanen, Roy, Gauthier, Wallmark, Saarela, etc. could all potentially be scoring forwards for the Caps next year.

I get it though. Faulk + Kuokkanen >>> Bean + Wallmark for me personally.

 

[The S5]

If the Canes have learned anything over the last few years it is to NOT OVERPAY FOR A GOALIE!!!!!

 

[bluedevil58]

If the Canes have learned anything over the last few years it is to NOT OVERPAY FOR A GOALIE!!!!!

As a long time Canes fan you are flat out wrong here. The lesson we learned is to not go with an unproven starter. We have struck out 3 times in a row now.

 

[The S5]

As a long time Canes fan you are flat out wrong here. The lesson we learned is to not go with an unproven starter. We have struck out 3 times in a row now.

Okey Dokey, go ahead and give up a prospect and a first for Holtby. Good luck.

 

[Stephen]

If the Canes have learned anything over the last few years it is to NOT OVERPAY FOR A GOALIE!!!!!

As a long time Canes fan you are flat out wrong here. The lesson we learned is to not go with an unproven starter. We have struck out 3 times in a row now.

When has cheap ass Carolina ever overpaid for anything, nevermind overpay for a goalie? They still have Cam Ward under contract and it's 2018. Scott Darling wasn't a major investment for an average NHL team. Eddie Lack? Anton Khudobin? Maybe call that accountant who recently suited up for the Hawks.

 

[staalgood]

When has cheap ass Carolina ever overpaid for anything, nevermind overpay for a goalie? They still have Cam Ward under contract and it's 2018. Scott Darling wasn't a major investment for an average NHL team. Eddie Lack? Anton Khudobin? Maybe call that accountant who recently suited up for the Hawks.

They overpaid for Jordan Staal. The #8 overall pick (Trouba went #9), Brian Dumoulin, and Brandon Sutter. Two top pairing guys and a 3rd line center for a low-end 2C that has only got to 20 goals once since being in Carolina. And they have Alexander Semin a massive 5 year deal after 24 very good games from him. He proceeded to decline as soon as the ink dried.

 

[staalgood]

Carolina shouldn't help the Caps. If they want to move Grubauer, I'd listen and probably pay a nice price. If they want to unload Holtby, to open up cap space to resign Carlson; we're not giving up multiple good pieces. You want a first for Holtby, ok. You want Fleury for Holtby, ok. You want both, Csrolina passes.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I maintain my position that Carolina should have traded for Fleury. Canes didn’t want to do the Pens a “favor” by letting us keep Murray, but lost out on a great goalie that wouldn’t have been expensive to trade for

You can "maintain your position" all you want, but there's a lot of evidence out there that it was never a possibility. Between Fleury's NTC and the fact that there was an expansion draft that the Pens had to consider, it's very likely a MAF to Carolina was never an option.