Movies: Hollywood sexual harassment ( Russell Brand facing multiple allegations)

[ORRFForever]

Not even just playboy lifestyle, it's just natural human nature. Saying the solution to unwanted pregnancy or false rape accusations is to stay celibate is just silly.

I agree. Every guy would be enjoying himself.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I wouldn't say they should video tape anything, but if I was someone like that, I'd have them sign waivers to prove it was consensual. We know a bunch of them do this too.

Sexual relations can go from consensual to non-consensual in the course of the act. That waiver doesn't prove shit.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Sexual relations can go from consensual to non-consensual in the course of the act. That waiver doesn't prove shit.

True, but it would probably be enough to ensure that they wouldn't be convicted.

 

[ORRFForever]

Look I’m against someone’s life being ruined because of stuff they supposedly did a long time ago but this guy has always come off as a lowlife

I wouldn't lose any sleep if he ended up in jail.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

True, but it would probably be enough to ensure that they wouldn't be convicted.

But shouldn't they be if they did commit assault in the process of a relation that started as consensual? Also, I truly don't know how much weight a waiver like would hold in court if its promise is broken. Recording every encounter is genuinely one of the dumbest takes I have ever read in thirteen years on this board and there's been plenty. I don't even care if it's trolling or not - either way it's moronic.

 

[bleedblue1223]

But shouldn't they be if they did commit assault in the process of a relation that started as consensual? Also, I truly don't know how much weight a waiver like would hold in court if its promise is broken. Recording every encounter is genuinely one of the dumbest takes I have ever read in thirteen years on this board and there's been plenty. I don't even care if it's trolling or not - either way it's moronic.

Yeah, I'm just talking about the reality of these situations in court. Unfortunately there has been quite a few false allegations that have even made it to court, so you could already have some skeptic jurors. It's just a hard thing to get a conviction on, especially when it's allegations from long ago and there wasn't an investigation right when it happened.

 

[ORRFForever]

Yeah, I'm just talking about the reality of these situations in court. Unfortunately there has been quite a few false allegations that have even made it to court, so you could already have some skeptic jurors. It's just a hard thing to get a conviction on, especially when it's allegations from long ago and there wasn't an investigation right when it happened.

It' takes a long time to get to court, it's expensive(!), and I'm sure there would be a lot of sleepless nights along the way - that's time you don't get back.

Then there's your reputation. That stays tarnished - even if you're found not guilty, there will always be people who think you are guilty.

 

[Osprey]

In my opinion, if you live in fear of being accused and need to videotape sex or have partners sign consent forms, it's already a little too late because you've allowed your public image to slip to the point that people won't trust you otherwise. The best thing that you can do to avoid being accused is to simply, from the beginning, be a good person, treat women with respect and don't give any of them a reason to accuse you justly or falsely. For example, I bet that certified nice guys Tom Hanks and Dwayne Johnson aren't losing sleep over the thought that they might be next to be accused, even falsely, not just because they likely don't push boundaries in the first place, but because they likely don't ever give women any reason to be upset with them and exaggerate or fabricate anything. In other words, if you maintain a superlative character, you shouldn't have to fear your reputation becoming tarnished.

 

[ORRFForever]

In my opinion, if you live in fear of being accused and need to videotape sex or have partners sign consent forms, it's already a little too late because you've allowed your public image to slip to the point that people won't trust you otherwise. The best thing that you can do to avoid being accused is to simply, from the beginning, be a good person, treat women with respect and don't give any of them a reason to accuse you justly or falsely. For example, I bet that certified nice guys Tom Hanks and Dwayne Johnson aren't losing sleep over the thought that they might be next to be accused, even falsely, not just because they likely don't push boundaries in the first place, but because they likely don't ever give women any reason to be upset with them and exaggerate or fabricate anything. In other words, if you maintain a superlative character, you shouldn't have to fear your reputation becoming tarnished.

I disagree. The road to hell is paved with "nice guys" who have had their reputations ruined - just ask Dustin Hoffman, who is the 1960's/1970's version of Tom Hanks.

LOTS of feminists, too.

Plus, you only need one person who makes you a target. Always CYA.

 

[Osprey]

I disagree. The road to hell is paved with "nice guys" who have had their reputations ruined - just ask Dustin Hoffman, who is the 1960's/1970's version of Tom Hanks. LOTS of feminists, too.

Plus, you only need one person who makes you a target. Always CYA.

Dustin Hoffman is not a "nice guy" from what I've read. Here's an example from the making of Kramer vs Kramer:

Hoffman has been widely reported in different media to have harassed Streep during the making of the movie, and the two had a contentious working relationship as a result. In a 1979 Time magazine interview, Streep claimed that Hoffman groped her breast on their first meeting. The two actors battled over their characters, with Streep wanting to portray Joanna as more sympathetic and vulnerable than she was written. As a famously committed method actor, Hoffman would also hurl insults and obscenities at Streep, taunting her with the name of her recently deceased fiancé, John Cazale, to draw a better performance out of her. He famously threw a wine glass against the wall without telling her (although he did inform the cameraman beforehand), which shattered and sent glass shards into her hair. Her response was: "Next time you do that, I'd appreciate you letting me know."

In 2018, Streep told The New York Times that Hoffman had slapped her hard without warning while filming a scene: "This was my first movie, and it was my first take in my first movie, and he just slapped me. And you see it in the movie. It was overstepping."

That's exactly the kind of thing that I'm saying not to do. Also, a nice guy might have one person falsely accuse him of sexual misconduct, but not seven like Hoffman had.

 

[archangel2]

I will put my hand up at being a perv who watches adult videos.

The Ron Jeremy situation has been a long time coming. Even in the adult trade mags there were articles on ron not being liked or trusted away from the set. One article said that several actresses in the nineties complained to the police but where told due to their line of work it would be hard to prove

 

[ORRFForever]

Dustin Hoffman is not a "nice guy" from what I've read. Here's an example from the making of Kramer vs Kramer:
That's exactly the kind of thing that I'm saying not to do. Also, a nice guy might have one person falsely accuse him of sexual misconduct, but not seven like Hoffman had.

Hoffman had a reputation as a kind / gentle man for years - that's why the stories of his groping women were such a shock when they came out a few years back.

Anyway, like I said, I think stars should CYA themselves, because they are targets. If you feel different, cool.

 

[ORRFForever]

I will put my hand up at being a perv who watches adult videos.

No!!!! I refuse to believe it !!!! NOT YOU !!!!

 

[Osprey]

Hoffman had a reputation as a kind / gentle man for years - that's why the stories of his groping women were such a shock when they came out a few years back.

You're missing my point. I'm saying that people should actually be nice guys, not just fool people into thinking that they are.

 

[ORRFForever]

You're missing my point. I'm saying that people should actually be nice guys, not just fool people into thinking that they are.

Good point. Very true.

 

[Pizza!Pizza!]

I will put my hand up at being a perv who watches adult videos.

The Ron Jeremy situation has been a long time coming. Even in the adult trade mags there were articles on ron not being liked or trusted away from the set. One article said that several actresses in the nineties complained to the police but where told due to their line of work it would be hard to prove

I was also not shocked. I even remember (years and years ago) seeing a VHS tape of one of his movies from the late 80's/early 90s (peak AIDs era) where he tells some girl "watch this" and then proceeds to remove his condom and do some activities I won't describe on this site --- but the point is that as soon as he took the condom off the girl got visibly upset and told him 'No, what are you doing, don't' and he just went on ahead without hesitation and did w/e he wanted. The girl looked totally mortified. It disturbed me to where I turned the tape off.

That said, by all accounts I've read, he's a very friendly guy (when he's not raping girls anyway). My wife even met him at an airport and got his autograph. Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde

With Ron Jeremy, James Dean, Francis w/e the GGW guy, and the GDP guy and a few others --- its almost as if an industry that treats women as commodities builds a mentality of misogyny on the part of those in control.

Ironically Ron Jeremy was in the Trey Parker movie Orgazmo, which parodies the porn industry, and was in the penultimate scene with Julie Aston where they draw the conclusion that porn harms both men and women because it exploits both genders in different ways.

 

[ORRFForever]

I was also not shocked. I even remember (years and years ago) seeing a VHS tape of one of his movies from the late 80's/early 90s (peak AIDs era) where he tells some girl "watch this" and then proceeds to remove his condom and do some activities I won't describe on this site --- but the point is that as soon as he took the condom off the girl got visibly upset and told him 'No, what are you doing, don't' and he just went on ahead without hesitation and did w/e he wanted. The girl looked totally mortified. It disturbed me to where I turned the tape off.

That said, by all accounts I've read, he's a very friendly guy (when he's not raping girls anyway). My wife even met him at an airport and got his autograph. Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde

With Ron Jeremy, James Dean, Francis w/e the GGW guy, and the GDP guy and a few others --- its almost as if an industry that treats women as commodities builds a mentality of misogyny on the part of those in control.

Ironically Ron Jeremy was in the Trey Parker movie Orgazmo, which parodies the porn industry, and was in the penultimate scene with Julie Aston where they draw the conclusion that porn harms both men and women because it exploits both genders in different ways.

I remember seeing him a documentary where is was drunk/upset because some beautiful woman rejected him.

 

[542365]

Look I’m against someone’s life being ruined because of stuff they supposedly did a long time ago but this guy has always come off as a lowlife

Depends on the "stuff" they did a long time ago. If they stole a jacket from a department store or slashed the tires on an Ex's car or something, sure. Most people have done something incredibly stupid like that(maybe not to that extreme) at one point or another and shouldn't have to worry about it for the rest of their lives. Rape is way past that. That's not a momentary lapse in judgement. That deserves to be punished even if you're not charged for 30-40+ years. It's a traumatizing event that sticks with people for the rest of their lives in some instances. I don't think there should be any sort of statute of limitations on that(I don't know if there is one in California, but there shouldn't be IMO, or it should be a hell of a lot longer than 15 ish years).

 

[archangel2]

Has Franco been charged?

 

[GarbageGoal]

I will put my hand up at being a perv who watches adult videos.

The Ron Jeremy situation has been a long time coming. Even in the adult trade mags there were articles on ron not being liked or trusted away from the set. One article said that several actresses in the nineties complained to the police but where told due to their line of work it would be hard to prove

Ginger Lynn said he raped her in the 80's during a film shoot. Obviously because of the fact they had scenes together, no one was going to prosecute something off camera.

 

[ORRFForever]

Has Franco been charged?

I would love to see Franco charged.

 

[RandV]

Dustin Hoffman is not a "nice guy" from what I've read. Here's an example from the making of Kramer vs Kramer:
That's exactly the kind of thing that I'm saying not to do. Also, a nice guy might have one person falsely accuse him of sexual misconduct, but not seven like Hoffman had.

Yes the general rule of thumb is when there's one offence there's always more. Coincidentally, you could call it a "me too" effect. Hoffman could have had a good reputation at one point but with multiple skeletons in the closet when one comes out so do the others. With an upstanding individual like Tom Hanks or Dwayne Johnson if one person makes up a false accusation without the corroborating skeletons it's that much harder to make it stick. Case in point, Joe Biden and Tara Reade.

So try to get multiple people to conspire against someone and it gets that much harder to avoid leaving a paper trail or getting discovered. This is what happened with the Jian Ghomeshi guy in Canada 5 years ago (a hip CBC radio guy who liked having 'hate sex'). He lost his job as he was legit tainted as a scumbag at this point, but the women's legal/criminal case fell apart when they told the court they had no contact with each other but then there cell phone records showed them texting each other about the case.

 

[archangel2]

I would love to see Franco charged.

Shocked he has not. More shocked he keeps getting hired

 

[ORRFForever]

Shocked he has not. More shocked he keeps getting hired

He does a lot of independent roles - independent = low paying. They are probably grateful to have him.

His time will come.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Who do you all think is the next to be outed? I’m honestly surprised it isn’t the lead singer of Aerosmith, cept he has the rock n roll thingy