HOH Top-40 Goalies Voter Record - Mike Farkas

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Round 1 List:
HOH Top-40 Goalies Voter Record - Mike Farkas - HFBoards

Players on the top-40 not ranked:

None

Players on the top-40 ranked below #50:

Percy LeSueur (55)
Tim Thomas (57)

Players exclusive to this list and no more than two others:

None

Players ranked highest on this list:

Chico Resch (37)
Pelle Lindbergh (47)

Players ranked lowest on this list:

Bernie Parent (20)
Bouse Hutton (60)

Hutton was also left off 13 lists.

Round 2 voting record:

Participation Record:

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[TheDevilMadeMe]

I'll be the one to point this out, I guess - Hasek/Roy/Brodeur 1-2-3 in Round 2, eh? I do think the general trend of goaltending has been for it to get better over time, but I do have a hard time thinking that I've seen all or most of the careers of the top 3 goaltenders of all time (but then I had Brodeur 4th, so it's not like it's THAT much different).

Your opinion of Beezer seems to have skyrocketed between Rounds 1 and 2 and remained consistent through several Round 2 votes.

Funny that you have the lowest position for Bernie Parent on your list, but his final position on the list (17) is actually closer to where you had him (20) than where he was on the aggregate list (12). Guess you were pretty convincing on that one.

Apparently you weren't the lowest for either Billy Smith or Tim Thomas!

 

[Michael Farkas]

I give major points to Brodeur for reasons I've already put out there. If you ask me again today, I might tweak that area a bit. But Brodeur definitely stays above Sawchuk for me regardless. He's right there with Plante and Hall in my opinion.

Yeah, Beezer grew on me quickly the more research I did. I never gave him the credit he deserved in the past.

Giving Parent too much credit for two seasons is a precedent that shouldn't be set so soon I felt. I'm glad that the panel felt similarly for a while.

Surprised I wasn't lowest for Smith, who I like considerably more than when I started this thing. After doing some film study on him, I was wrong to have him so low. He was on a team that played a defensive/controlled game, but he was a big part of why it worked there. His anticipation level was the best among any goalie in the 80's.

I've admitted that putting token Thomas on the bottom of my list was the lone "political" play I made. I thought my list would be rejected if I didn't include a two-time Vezina winner. Put him on, then fight the battle, was the thought process. My only regret is including him at all. There's a reasonable case that he's not top-60, but what's done is done. I don't really want to open up an nth thread about him...

I got pretty adventurous with some international goalies towards the bottom as well without an intimate familiarity with competition levels quite yet.

Check out my two thread peak (7 & 9), does that make me a top-40 poster of all time?
A shout from the crowd: "You weren't even a top-40 poster in the goalie project!"

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Surprised to find Connell (31) and Cheevers (39) in your original top 40.

Agree with Fuhr ahead of Smith.

Also agree about Parent. I had him rated too high originally.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Honestly, DB, heading into it, I thought Connell was going to be the guy that got the biggest push. He was the guy where I thought, "ok, here's my darkhorse, let's see what I can do for him...he's the all time GAA leader and besides this board, no one has a clue as to who he is...I want to find out, I bet I'll (and we'll) be pleasantly surprised..."

So I dug and I dug, and it just wasn't there. I thought there was going to be more than meets the eye to Connell, but there's less in all honesty. From the research, I came away so down on Connell that I believe John Ross Roach should be ranked ahead of him.

He's got the 1935 playoffs, and as I came to realize yesterday after talking to Nalyd for ATD, it was actually Baldy Northcott that won the 1935 retroactive Conn Smythe!* All along I thought it was Connell.

* - whatever that's worth; to some, that and a dollar will get you the paper...

But I mean, while I say that about Connell (that he was my darkhorse and I wanted to research him and get his name out there), I came in with an open mind. For all the goalies I didn't grow up with. It was after research and discussion that I voted the way I did. I think I only glanced back at my original list a couple times after voting was done because I had no dog in the fight, no agenda...just wanted to learn mostly...

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Honestly, DB, heading into it, I thought Connell was going to be the guy that got the biggest push. He was the guy where I thought, "ok, here's my darkhorse, let's see what I can do for him...he's the all time GAA leader and besides this board, no one has a clue as to who he is...I want to find out, I bet I'll (and we'll) be pleasantly surprised..."

So I dug and I dug, and it just wasn't there. I thought there was going to be more than meets the eye to Connell, but there's less in all honesty. From the research, I came away so down on Connell that I believe John Ross Roach should be ranked ahead of him.

He's got the 1935 playoffs, and as I came to realize yesterday after talking to Nalyd for ATD, it was actually Baldy Northcott that won the 1935 retroactive Conn Smythe!* All along I thought it was Connell.

* - whatever that's worth; to some, that and a dollar will get you the paper...

But I mean, while I say that about Connell (that he was my darkhorse and I wanted to research him and get his name out there), I came in with an open mind. For all the goalies I didn't grow up with. It was after research and discussion that I voted the way I did. I think I only glanced back at my original list a couple times after voting was done because I had no dog in the fight, no agenda...just wanted to learn mostly...

That's a good attitude.

Now if only you could see the error of your ways about.........

 

[tarheelhockey]

Thankfully, the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine captured the lists for this project, which were deleted during HF's adventure in software upgrades. Restoring them here in case the Wayback Machine link ever goes dead.

1	Dominik Hasek
2	Patrick Roy
3	Glenn Hall
4	Jacques Plante
5	Martin Brodeur
6	Terry Sawchuk
7	Ken Dryden
8	Frank Brimsek
9	Bill Durnan
10	Georges Vezina
11	Vladislav Tretiak
12	Tony Esposito
13	Charlie Gardiner
14	Clint Benedict
15	Turk Broda
16	Ed Belfour
17	Roy Worters
18	Tiny Thompson
19	Hugh Lehman
20	Bernie Parent
21	Johnny Bower
22	Jiri Holecek
23	Harry Lumley
24	Chuck Rayner
25	Gump Worsley
26	Grant Fuhr
27	Rogie Vachon
28	Hap Holmes
29	George Hainsworth
30	Billy Smith
31	Alec Connell
32	Tom Barrasso
33	Roberto Luongo
34	Ed Giacomin
35	Curtis Joseph
36	Henrik Lundqvist
37	Chico Resch
38	Lorne Chabot
39	Gerry Cheevers
40	Paddy Moran
41	Riley Hern
42	Mike Liut
43	Miikka Kiprusoff
44	John Vanbiesbrouck
45	Dave Kerr
46	Roger Crozier
47	Pelle Lindbergh
48	John Ross Roach
49	Seth Martin
50	Al Rollins
51	Jiri Kralik
52	Pekka Lindmark
53	Mike Richter
54	Vladimir Dzurilla
55	Percy Lesueur
56	Pete Peeters
57	Tim Thomas
58	Tomas Vokoun
59	Don Edwards
60	John Bouse Hutton

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