Larry G still determind to Bring NHL back to Hartford
This guy is a persistant S.O.B. isn't he? I admire it.
This guy is a persistant S.O.B. isn't he? I admire it.
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Fingold still determind to Bring NHL back to Hartford
This guy is a persistant S.O.B. isn't he? I admire it.
Lawrence R. Gottesdiener.
Fingold purchased (LOI) the team and most likely will keep it in the 'Burgh
Now that Pittsburgh is off the table, other potential targets are teams with low attendance numbers, including the New York Islanders, the Nashville Predators, the Atlanta Thrashers and the Florida Panthers.
That's not stopping him from trying to get other franchises it seems.
i have some darkhorses.....From the article
I don't think any of those teams are for sale and they all seem to have committed ownership except for Atlanta with their dispute and they should have some after that is over with.
edit your first post. it's incorrect and misleading.
The article you posted is about Gottesdiener wanting to bring a team to Harford. Fingold is in the process of buying the Pens, and is not planning on moving the team.Fingold still determind to Bring NHL back to Hartford
This guy is a persistant S.O.B. isn't he? I admire it.
How is it misleading? The Name of the damn article is in the Topic, and if you READ the article he is determined to get a NHL team to Hartford. Again, what is misleading about it?
The man who was the runner-up to buy the Pittsburgh Penguins says he is "still determined to bring hockey back to Hartford" and is actively looking into two other hockey teams.
Lawrence R. Gottesdiener - whose bid to buy the Penguins was second only to that of Hartford developer Sam Fingold - won't name the teams he is pursuing, but insists he isn't giving up.
The article is about Gottesdiener, not Fingold.
Fingold = LOI to buy Pens. Keeping them in the 'burgh.
Gottesdiener = runner-up to by the Pens. Looking to buy another team to move to Hartford.
Capisce?
The article is about Gottesdiener, not
Fingold = Keeping them in the 'burgh.
We had a long thread about this in the past month or so.
The bottom line was the majority felt other cities were more deserving than Hartford, Pittsburgh was the most likely to move, and Hartford has no modern rink at present.
As someone who works in downtown Hartford and lives about 15 miles away in the lush Northwest Connecticut hills, I would be 110% behind the NHL returning.
I would also be 110% behind winning Powerball, a date with Sienna Miller and a penthouse apartment in New York City, but none of them are happeneing anytime soon either.
not that im disagreeing, but who is the "majority"? why would their opinion count in the actual issue? i dont think a team will ever come back either, but a bunch of hf's thinking hartford doesnt deserve one is hardly evidence for them never coming back.
i have some darkhorses.....
1. edmonton oilers....can't attract big name free agents and an arena that is over 30 years old....
2. calgary flames.....arena that is over 20 years old....
i have some darkhorses.....
1. edmonton oilers....can't attract big name free agents and an arena that is over 30 years old....
2. calgary flames.....arena that is over 20 years old....
Really? Tampa drew very well last season and still gets the same garbage thrown at them.Most of this board wouldn't talk about teams like Florida, Atlanta and Nashville being moved if they could fill their buildings like teams up here can.
Really? Tampa drew very well last season and still gets the same garbage thrown at them.
BTW if you care to do a little research you will find that not all the teams up there have historically drawn too well either with numbers much lower than the teams you mentioned.
Also teams tend to move due to bad buildings not fan support. Hartford, Winnipeg, Quebec all had great fans but god awful buildings.
Dude the three teams I mentioned lost millions due to the bad arenas. Hartford didn't draw well because of a bad arena and the team stunk. When I said "up there" I meant CANADA not Hartford same as you did. Do some research into what the current teams in Canada draw when they are losing. It is NOT 100% capacity most draw like Tampa (and other southern teams BTW) does good when winning bad when losing yet Tampa and other southern cities have to endure this crap about being bad fans and Canadian fans are given a pass. Vancouver has had some of the worst attendance in NHL history, yet when I applied the same rules to Vancouver that my city has to endure, I was called names for it.Yes, they did... because the team won the Stanley Cup in the preceding season. How'd they draw in the years before that? They barely eclipsed the 90% capacity mark in 2003-04 (90.2%, 18th in the NHL), and weren't above 83.7% in the previous three seasons. If the team doesn't do well this season, can we really expect attendance to stay as high as it has been?
Hartford should've supported its team when the city had one; if they did, maybe the Whalers never would have moved. More on that later.
Hartford moved because the team's fans didn't support it. Peter Karmanos decided that he was tired of losing revenue because the Whalers couldn't draw, and he moved it to Carolina. Quebec moved because of the team's financial losses during the 1994-95 lockout, and that only happened because the wonderful PQ government refused to bail the team out. Winnipeg's move was partially caused by the lack of a "modern" arena to play in, but player salaries and a declining Canadian dollar were also responsible.
All three of the teams you mentioned moved because of the almighty dollar, and fan support has a lot to do with that. If those teams continue to have problems drawing fans to their games, then they're going to have money problems, and that's really the bottom line with a lot of the billionaires who own teams.
Gnashville said:Hartford didn't draw well because of a bad arena and the team stunk.
Dude the three teams I mentioned lost millions due to the bad arenas. Hartford didn't draw well because of a bad arena and the team stunk. When I said "up there" I meant CANADA not Hartford same as you did. Do some research into what the current teams in Canada draw when they are losing. It is NOT 100% capacity most draw like Tampa (and other southern teams BTW) does good when winning bad when losing yet Tampa and other southern cities have to endure this crap about being bad fans and Canadian fans are given a pass. Vancouver has had some of the worst attendance in NHL history, yet when I applied the same rules to Vancouver that my city has to endure, I was called names for it.
Some people do call southerners bad fans, being from Tennessee trust me on that. There are a lot more fans here than most people think and give us credit for also.Nobody calls Southerners "bad fans." The problem is that there doesn't seem to be enough of them to warrant the continued existence of the teams.
I'll give you this much: if the teams in the South are very good for certain periods of time, then the bandwagons will fill up, and I'd be willing to bet that enough of those bandwagoners would turn into diehards to justify the teams staying there; heck, we've already got a good example of that in San Jose. Tampa and Carolina have now won titles, and they're both on their way to solidifying their places in those cities' respective markets; Anaheim and Nashville might be following suit, given how good those two clubs look this year. The question, however, is this: how long are the owners of the bottom-dwelling Southern teams willing to wait for that to happen to their clubs? Some of these rich guys don't take kindly to losing money, and might look to recoup some of that cash by selling their teams to the highest bidder.