Post-Game Talk: Hmmm. Hughson Tears!! Leafs Win 4-2 over Canucks

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Liferleafer

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Reimer will have his bad nights, but he's in a good stretch obviously. His style is not kind on the eyes but hey, stopping pucks is the name of the game.

Lol...watching Reimer during this stretch has been awesome. The net cam views are the best, at least 4 times per game he is completely turned around facing the net cam while scrambling to get back in position....but it's working!!

Can't help cheering for the guy.
 

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Agreed. Over the course of an entire season, there are bound to be aberrations, but possession and scoring chances will ultimately determine our fate.

Reimer's play the last few games is making up for the first dozen or so games wherein we outplayed the opposition, but our goaltending was atrocious and we couldn't finish most of our chances.

The main difference in our play since this modest points streak started is that our shoooting percentage and save percentage have improved.

Doesn't that tell you something? If the same "system" requires shooting and save percentage to improve and with it so too do results, isn't the key factor then shooting and save percentage?
 

therealkoho

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reimer is playing well but he is still flopping around. dont like it.


that's the Jimmy we drafted, that's the Jimmy who chalked up the MVP and championship in the 2009 ECHL playoffs,

that's also the Jimmy that went 20-10-0-5 with a .921 during that run in 10/11 with RW's team and almost got the Leafs into the playoffs

and the same Jimmy who almost got the Leafs past the heavily favoured Bruins in 12/13

not the Butterfly that Allaire tried to create, it's not his style, goaltenders need to play to their strengths, he's playing to his
 

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Big fat satisfying win against the Canucks.

That felt good and defensively Vancouver is a mess.

Babcock's system impressive as he continues to up coach the Leafs talent to success. :yo:
 

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Doesn't that tell you something? If the same "system" requires shooting and save percentage to improve and with it so too do results, isn't the key factor then shooting and save percentage?

In order for any system to be effective, a team needs to maintain average shooting and save percentages at the very least. In the first dozen games, our PDO (combined shooting/save percentages) was abysmal, and we weren't getting any results despite our solid work ethic every night.

It's not that Babcock's system requires elite goaltending and offense to garner results, it's that our PDO is starting to trend toward the league average, and now we're earning points.

By the same token, certain systems are more effective than others if a team can maintain an average or better PDO. Our PDO under Carlyle was among the league's best but our success playing his style of hockey was unsustainable because of our terrible possession numbers and the number of scoring chances we consistently gave up (typically measured by CORSI and Fenwick), and we always ended up crashing and burning as a result.

Babcock's system implements a strong forecheck, fluid possession, a five man unit involved in defensive zone coverage, and quick puck movement. It is clearly evident that the Leafs have vastly improved in all of those areas under Babcock's tutelage. Assuming that we can maintain an average PDO or better, the chances of sustained success playing Babcock's style of hockey are far greater long term.
 
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Lilou

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Without a doubt, the best part of this win is definitely the deliciously salty tears of all the ******** 'Nucks fans :laugh:

Yes its very tasty. Mmmmm delicious canook fan tears. Nothing angers them more than losing to the Leafs on HNIC. Their team is garbage. Trash. Once the sedins retire they'll be fighting for 1st overall every year. Oh wait they got those bums horvat and virtanen haha :lol:
 

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Doesn't that tell you something? If the same "system" requires shooting and save percentage to improve and with it so too do results, isn't the key factor then shooting and save percentage?

Shooting percentage is directly related to number of shots. So sh% is not independent to Corsi.

It has been clearly shown by multiple people that sh% and sv% isn't controllable. So the team can't do anything other than continue their level of play.


On the game, it has been a long time since I was this satisfied with a win.
 

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I will repeat the interesting fact from a few pages back.

3 of the 5 wins have come when the team has been outshot by a combined 31 shots (that's over 10 per game).

Is this what Babcock is selling?

I joked about winning the wrong way but are the stats folks going to jump on the "can't sustain that" train soon if this continues?

Leafs weren't playing Babcock hockey for the last 10 minutes of the game. They were playing a panic dump it out when you can & hope the other team doesn't score when they bring it in. It had nothing to do with what Babcock is selling.

The Leafs were outshot 17-4 in the last 10 mins. Prior to that the Leafs were outshooting Vancouver 36-28. It was the last 10 minutes that the players were NOT playing Babcock's system.

Anyone that thinks that after less than a quarter of a season that a brand new coach, with a truckload of brand new players, being taught a brand new system would be playing that system 100% of the time doesn't have a clue about coaching & training teams. After 1/2 a season, if they are playing your system 95% of the time, you will be ecstatic.

From here Babcock will try to correct those lapses. They played the right way for close to 50 of 60 minutes. Maybe 10 games later it will be 55 of 60 minutes. It's all just part of the coaching process.
 

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Leafs weren't playing Babcock hockey for the last 10 minutes of the game. They were playing a panic dump it out when you can & hope the other team doesn't score when they bring it in. It had nothing to do with what Babcock is selling.

The Leafs were outshot 17-4 in the last 10 mins. Prior to that the Leafs were outshooting Vancouver 36-28. It was the last 10 minutes that the players were NOT playing Babcock's system.

Anyone that thinks that after less than a quarter of a season that a brand new coach, with a truckload of brand new players, being taught a brand new system would be playing that system 100% of the time doesn't have a clue about coaching & training teams. After 1/2 a season, if they are playing your system 95% of the time, you will be ecstatic.

From here Babcock will try to correct those lapses. They played the right way for close to 50 of 60 minutes. Maybe 10 games later it will be 55 of 60 minutes. It's all just part of the coaching process.

Totally agree. The final shot tally is not indicative of how the team played for the majority of the game. But you know, staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaats.
 

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Leafs weren't playing Babcock hockey for the last 10 minutes of the game. They were playing a panic dump it out when you can & hope the other team doesn't score when they bring it in. It had nothing to do with what Babcock is selling.

The Leafs were outshot 17-4 in the last 10 mins. Prior to that the Leafs were outshooting Vancouver 36-28. It was the last 10 minutes that the players were NOT playing Babcock's system.

Anyone that thinks that after less than a quarter of a season that a brand new coach, with a truckload of brand new players, being taught a brand new system would be playing that system 100% of the time doesn't have a clue about coaching & training teams. After 1/2 a season, if they are playing your system 95% of the time, you will be ecstatic.

From here Babcock will try to correct those lapses. They played the right way for close to 50 of 60 minutes. Maybe 10 games later it will be 55 of 60 minutes. It's all just part of the coaching process.

Babcock was not happy with how they ended the game from his post game presser.
 

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Leafs weren't playing Babcock hockey for the last 10 minutes of the game. They were playing a panic dump it out when you can & hope the other team doesn't score when they bring it in. It had nothing to do with what Babcock is selling.

The Leafs were outshot 17-4 in the last 10 mins. Prior to that the Leafs were outshooting Vancouver 36-28. It was the last 10 minutes that the players were NOT playing Babcock's system.

Anyone that thinks that after less than a quarter of a season that a brand new coach, with a truckload of brand new players, being taught a brand new system would be playing that system 100% of the time doesn't have a clue about coaching & training teams. After 1/2 a season, if they are playing your system 95% of the time, you will be ecstatic.

From here Babcock will try to correct those lapses. They played the right way for close to 50 of 60 minutes. Maybe 10 games later it will be 55 of 60 minutes. It's all just part of the coaching process.

Babcock even said this.

we looked like a team that wasn't used to winning/ not confident in winning.
and generally speaking - i will have to also point out which some people don't contribute: We never trailed in this game. ergo - generally speaking - we were GOING to be outshot. unless we dominate a team and really supress the shots - you are going to win by being outshot

my questions would be this
Was the final shots on goal (for either team)
if it was within 10 - it would have me a bit worried, but it's something you can address with time/confidence.
if it was within 5 - then that's score effects.

and then were we dominated/trapped in our own end
then again - you coach that
if it's basically again last minute of play and onslaught pressure (but we controlled the play for 57 minutes etc etc, and we can just continue to clear out and have chances to ice it? then not worried about it.


the argument of "we're winning while outshout" needs to be quantified a LOT.
 

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Leafs weren't playing Babcock hockey for the last 10 minutes of the game. They were playing a panic dump it out when you can & hope the other team doesn't score when they bring it in. It had nothing to do with what Babcock is selling.

The Leafs were outshot 17-4 in the last 10 mins. Prior to that the Leafs were outshooting Vancouver 36-28. It was the last 10 minutes that the players were NOT playing Babcock's system.

Anyone that thinks that after less than a quarter of a season that a brand new coach, with a truckload of brand new players, being taught a brand new system would be playing that system 100% of the time doesn't have a clue about coaching & training teams. After 1/2 a season, if they are playing your system 95% of the time, you will be ecstatic.

From here Babcock will try to correct those lapses. They played the right way for close to 50 of 60 minutes. Maybe 10 games later it will be 55 of 60 minutes. It's all just part of the coaching process.
...I enjoy reading well-thought-out posts like this rather than the bashing and I-have-to-be-right ones.
 

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Leafs weren't playing Babcock hockey for the last 10 minutes of the game. They were playing a panic dump it out when you can & hope the other team doesn't score when they bring it in. It had nothing to do with what Babcock is selling.

The Leafs were outshot 17-4 in the last 10 mins. Prior to that the Leafs were outshooting Vancouver 36-28. It was the last 10 minutes that the players were NOT playing Babcock's system.

Anyone that thinks that after less than a quarter of a season that a brand new coach, with a truckload of brand new players, being taught a brand new system would be playing that system 100% of the time doesn't have a clue about coaching & training teams. After 1/2 a season, if they are playing your system 95% of the time, you will be ecstatic.

From here Babcock will try to correct those lapses. They played the right way for close to 50 of 60 minutes. Maybe 10 games later it will be 55 of 60 minutes. It's all just part of the coaching process.

They're getting there, but its not 20 games yet.

Matthias said it himself, he and Bozak are finally clicking, and getting to know each other.
 
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