Hjalmarsson vs Markov

[Estimated_Prophet]

Habs fan coming in peace....

We are having a debate about which dman is better, I am of the opinion that Hjalmarsson is the better player. People on the Montreal board believe that if Markov was acquired by Chicago that he would bump Hjalmarsson down to the third pairing. It is my opinion that Markov would be a 3rd pairing ld and power play specialist on the Hawks.

Opinions?

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[MurrayBannerman]

He'd bump Hammer down? What?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

He'd bump Hammer down? What?

Ridiculous isn't it?

 

[MurrayBannerman]

Ridiculous isn't it?

Especially when he's paired with Trevor freaking Daley.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

First of all, you're asking this question on the Hawks board so many/most answers will be biased to some extent, if for no other reason than most Hawks fans have seen Hjalmarsson play hundreds of games and probably a lot less of Markov so the level of appreciation will be dramatically skewed.

But having said that, I think Hjalmarsson is clearly better defensively and Markov is clearly better offensively.

 

[tdfxman]

Markov is a stud, but can't shut down anything. I love him in pools. If we had him he would be perfect with Hammer and both would be 2nd pair. Markov would spell 2 on the PP. 2 and 7 would be together.

Markov is NOT a 3rd pair d-man in this league. yet. Even on our team. Even last year, JO could have played 3rd pair, he was a minus player for us.

 

[Ainec]

Hammer is the best shutdown dmen in the league
-nucks fan

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Markov is a stud, but can't shut down anything. I love him in pools. If we had him he would be perfect with Hammer and both would be 2nd pair. Markov would spell 2 on the PP. 2 and 7 would be together.

Markov is NOT a 3rd pair d-man in this league. yet. Even on our team. Even last year, JO could have played 3rd pair, he was a minus player for us.

Markov is brutally slow and doesn't produce at all in the playoffs when the pace of the game increases. He is very good on the PP but needs to be sheltered 5vs5.

The reason that I said he would be a 3rd pairing D on Chicago is because he is a lefty and would be behind both Keith and Hammer. Truthfully he is only a 3rd pairing D on any contending club but is a 1st pp unit quarterback on most of them.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

Markov is weaker defensively than Hammer, a weaker skater, and 8 years older.

While the Hawks' offense fell off a bit RS last year, they still won the cup, and Hammer's defense is more important than anything Markov could offe.r

 

[NHL RankKing]

Hammer can also play on both the left and right side, which makes him extremely dependable because he can line up next to anyone.

Markov and Hjalmarsson are totally different players so it's hard to compare from that respect. But if you had to choose one, it'd be Hammer by a landslide.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

If you put Markov on the Hawks today, with zero cap considerations...

Hammer would still be the second best defenseman on the team. Markov would be the fourth.

 

[BobbyJet]

Markov is weaker defensively than Hammer, a weaker skater, and 8 years older.

While the Hawks' offense fell off a bit RS last year, they still won the cup, and Hammer's defense is more important than anything Markov could offe.r

Exactly. The Hab fans that I know are well aware that Markov's play has been on a slide for a few years now. He has his moments but theres a lot of mileage on him. How anyone can try and make this comparison at this stage in their respective careers is beyond me.

Perhaps Rozy can be mentioned in the same sentence as Markov, but certainly not Hjalmarsson.

 

[slappipappi]

Hammer is the best shut down d-man on the team that has won the Stanley Cup 3 times in the last 6 years.

He has routinely shut down the NHL's best players when it has counted the most.

Markov isn't knocking him top to the third pairing, that's just laughable.

Markov simply isn't they type of d-man.

Jammer himself isn't really part of a #2 pairing, he's an elite shut down d-man responsible for shutting down the opponents best players.

 

[Any Colour You Like]

With Daley and Rundblad there's no need for Markov, first of all.

Secondly, that notion is ridiculous. I could see them sharing the second pairing, but I'd take Hammer over Markov every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

[member 202355]

Hjalmarsson is much better at ice hockey.

- Canucks fan

 

[SAADfather]

I actually kinda like Markov and he can be really effective if used right, but Markov bumping hammer down on the depth chart? Please...

 

[Your Reality Check]

I've said this a million times. Hammer is the best defensive player in the NHL. If the Norris didn't include offense, he would win it every year.

 

[Bubba88]

Hjalmarsson, no doubt for me

 

[LordKOTL]

With Daley and Rundblad there's no need for Markov, first of all.

Secondly, that notion is ridiculous. I could see them sharing the second pairing, but I'd take Hammer over Markov every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Perhaps, but Markov would eliminate the need for Runblad, and that's a good thing.

As for Hjammer v Markov. Hjammer, no doubt. He was carrying Oduya for more than 2/3 of this past season. I don't think Markov could do that.

 

[Hawkaholic]

LOL
As others have stated, not happening.

Although wouldn't mind

Keith Hjalmarsson
Markov Seabrook
Daley TVR
Rundblad

 

[Pepe Silvia]

Further proof that the majority of Habs fans are insane

 

[BobbyJet]

LOL
As others have stated, not happening.

Although wouldn't mind

Keith Hjalmarsson
Markov Seabrook
Daley TVR
Rundblad

Markov was never a speedster and has lost more than a step. He couldn't play #4 with Hawks without some serious sheltering .... at least not on a consistent basis anyway.

That said he has shown a propensity for picking it up in the PO's .... so if the price was right, maybe. Problem is, the price would not be right.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Markov was never a speedster and has lost more than a step. He couldn't play #4 with Hawks without some serious sheltering .... at least not on a consistent basis anyway.

That said he has shown a propensity for picking it up in the PO's .... so if the price was right, maybe. Problem is, the price would not be right.

I agree, but that would be a pretty deep D corps. I don't have much interest in Markov unless he was cheap in both price to acquire and salary.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

I agree, but that would be a pretty deep D corps. I don't have much interest in Markov unless he was cheap in both price to acquire and salary.

Therein lies the problem. Leaving aside the question of whether he'd supplant Hammer on the depth chart (he would not), Markov is turning 37 before the end of the calendar year and is signed until 2017 @ $5.75m.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Therein lies the problem. Leaving aside the question of whether he'd supplant Hammer on the depth chart (he would not), Markov is turning 37 before the end of the calendar year and is signed until 2017 @ $5.75m.

I did not know he was making 5.75mil, let alone until he is 39. Wow.