higher trade value Marner vs W. Nylander

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Who could get a bigger return in a trade.

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[bobholly39]

Better player = worth more.

Dont overthink it.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

wut

 

[Zamuz]

Unironically voting Nylander.

I think he has similar upside as Marner, maybe higher. And a far better contract.

 

[Incognito]

Marner, unquestionably. Sure, he gets paid a lot more than Nylander, but that's because he's a lot better than him.

 

[Zamuz]

Marner, unquestionably. Sure, he gets paid a lot more than Nylander, but that's because he's a lot better than him.

Marner is absolutely not worth 4m more per year

 

[Sky04]

Marner is absolutely not worth 4m more per year

Marner produced a 94 point season, Nylanders career high is 61. That's a 4m difference right there. However the biggest overpayment on the leafs roster is Matthews.

 

[Hustlr]

However the biggest overpayment on the leafs roster is Matthews.

Ya, no.

 

[Fugazy]

Obviously Marner.

 

[Sky04]

Ya, no.

Yeah you're right, Matthew's isn't overpaid. 73 points for 11m, looks like Nylander is underpaid by about 2.5m instead. Marner should be making about 15 then. Leafs contracts are actually bargains when you think about it that way!

 

[Zamuz]

Marner produced a 94 point season, Nylanders career high is 61. That's a 4m difference right there. However the biggest overpayment on the leafs roster is Matthews.

I think Nylander is better than what last season was, he missed many games and preseason.

I dont want to Give too much weight to WHC but he had 18 points in 8 games last may (McDavid had 17 in 10 for example)

 

[Hustlr]

Yeah you're right, Matthew's isn't overpaid. 73 points for 11m, looks like Nylander is underpaid by about 2.5m instead. Marner should be making about 15 then. Leafs contracts are actually bargains when you think about it that way!

You clearly don’t watch the games apart from your own team. Matthews is far and away the best player on this team. Your 73p example is extremely disingenuous and I’d even say trolling.

 

[Sky04]

I think Nylander is better than what last season was, he missed many games and preseason.

I dont want to Give too much weight to WHC but he had 18 points in 8 games last may (McDavid had 17 in 10 for example)

I didn't even mention last season? At his best so far he's only produced 61 points, even a hot start this year he's only pacing for 82 which is still substantially lower than what Marner actually did last year. Marner is quite clearly the better player with more trade value. Production at the WHC really doesn't mean anything.

 

[Sky04]

You clearly don’t watch the games apart from your own team. Matthews is far and away the best player on this team. Your 73p example is extremely disingenuous and I’d even say trolling.

No, my 73 point example is quite clearly a fact. A guy with a career high 73 points and injury issues is the 3rd highest caphit in the league is an overpayment.

 

[Hustlr]

No, my 73 point example is quite clearly a fact.

It’s disingenuous because he did it in 68 games...

 

[bobholly39]

Yeah you're right, Matthew's isn't overpaid. 73 points for 11m, looks like Nylander is underpaid by about 2.5m instead. Marner should be making about 15 then. Leafs contracts are actually bargains when you think about it that way!

There's every bit of expectancy that Matthews will turn into a consistent 90-100+ point #1C. Maybe it's unfair how much "benefit of the doubt" he gets versus other players, and some of that is attributable to being a #1 overall, the hype, and the Toronto market - but Matthews is only going to be overpaid if he stagnates as a ~70 point guy. I don't see any reason why he would - he should be a solid 90-100 point guy imo, and as such, he's paid a lot but is also a top player, and it's fine. Same for Marner.

Neither contracts are steals or anything - but it's worth it to pay top $$ for top players, which they are.

I think Nylander is better than what last season was, he missed many games and preseason.

I dont want to Give too much weight to WHC but he had 18 points in 8 games last may (McDavid had 17 in 10 for example)

I also think Nylander is better then last season. And if and when he proves to the world he can be a ~ppg winger for example - than maybe you could argue about his trade value vs Marner, with less production gap.

Right now - Nylander's value is really, really low, after such a bad season. So to the OP's question, Marner has a much higher trade value today.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Unironically voting Nylander.

I think he has similar upside as Marner, maybe higher. And a far better contract.

Nylander was better in 16-17 and so far this season, for contract reasons I prefer Nylander.

 

[bobholly39]

Nylander was better in 16-17 and so far this season, for contract reasons I prefer Nylander.

Trade value isn't about what you prefer though - it's about what you think the player might fetch on the trade market today.

Marner >> Nylander as of today. I agree that Nylander is talented enough to close the gap in time, but he has to do it first,

 

[Incognito]

Marner is absolutely not worth 4m more per year

Yes he is.

 

[Hustlr]

Marner is overpaid by 2M. That’s the only overpay I will concede to. Overpayment is not our problem, it’s asset management. I don’t think you’re going to see these 4 forwards together for long if they don’t accomplish something real fast.

 

[Zamuz]

Marner is overpaid by 2M. That’s the only overpay I will concede to. Overpayment is not our problem, it’s asset management. I don’t think you’re going to see these 4 forwards together for long if they don’t accomplish something real fast.

3 players total ~33m of cap space

 

[trick9]

Is this a joke?

Marner without a doubt.

 

[Menzinger]

Marner produced a 94 point season, Nylanders career high is 61. That's a 4m difference right there. However the biggest overpayment on the leafs roster is Matthews.

30 point players aren't worth 4 million.

That point valuation is off

 

[7even]

Yeah you're right, Matthew's isn't overpaid. 73 points for 11m, looks like Nylander is underpaid by about 2.5m instead. Marner should be making about 15 then. Leafs contracts are actually bargains when you think about it that way!

I'm unconvinced all you NPCs giddily regurgitating "7³ pOinT pLayEr" aren't just being willfully obtuse as some lame joke

The problem with Matthews' contract is the term, not the money. If you're going to shit on it, do it right.

 

[Skolman]

You clearly don’t watch the games apart from your own team. Matthews is far and away the best player on this team. Your 73p example is extremely disingenuous and I’d even say trolling.

What?

Considering what Matthews has done in his career so far, he's definitely overpaid. The fact that he's been injured is irrelevant, his career high in points is 73.

I do expect him to surpasses that this year, but he's pretty clearly overpaid considering his track record.