HFDevils prospects poll poll

[Nubmer6]

OK, not quite a poll, but...

I've been running the polls using the list of players based on the NHLs rules for rookie eligibility.

Rookie Qualifications

To be considered a rookie, a player must not have played in more than 25 NHL games in any preceding seasons, nor in six or more NHL games in each of any two preceding seasons. Any player at least 26 years of age (by September 15th of that season) is not considered a rookie.

This would, among others, preclude Alexander Holtz (more than 6 games played in each of the last two seasons).

I wanted your thoughts on continuing using rookie eligibility as the requirement, or if we should switch to something else, and if so, what.

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[Bleedred]

This should be fun

Tedenby, Boucher, Merrill, Gelinas, Tallackson, Suglobov, Hale, Foster, Ward. Corrente. Hoeffel. Don't forget Quenneville, Ty Smith, Blan-DI-SI! Sharifijanov!

I feel like I can make a we didn't start the fire out of these.

 

[RememberTheName]

I wouldn't mind continuing to do normal rookie eligibility, but I definitely think Holtz is still a prospect. Maybe under 30 NHL games could be the cutoff, like the mainboard is doing it right now.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

I'm fine with rookie eligibility. Seems fair, if anything I'd make it more restrictive (24 years or under by September 15th of that season).

 

[Cheddabombs]

As long as I can keep voting for Ripshot 43 I'm good with however it's setup

 

[Nubmer6]

As long as I can keep voting for Ripshot 43 I'm good with however it's setup

I dunno. I think he graduated under the current rules.

 

[My3Sons]

I dunno. I think he graduated under the current rules.

I didn't see him at the recent prospects camp but Nemec and Hughes weren't there either so it's really unclear.

 

[MartyOwns]

if mike van ryn isn’t a voting option, i’m reporting you

 

[My3Sons]

if mike van ryn isn’t a voting option, i’m reporting you

I thought the protocol is a one person riot?

 

[forceten]

I predict a riot! I predict a riot!!

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

i don’t really like the calder voting eligibility. It doesn’t feel up to date with how teams use young players anymore. More and more prospect ranking sites are starting to use a flat U25 or U23 requirement and i wouldn’t mind that, though obviously there should be some sort of cutoff cuz there’s no reason to rank Jack Hughes or Mercer.

Although now that i’ve said it, a U25 ranking WOULD be interesting… but it would involve a lot less of the fringe players being considered, which i think is part of the fun.

 

[Nubmer6]

I wouldn't mind continuing to do normal rookie eligibility, but I definitely think Holtz is still a prospect. Maybe under 30 NHL games could be the cutoff, like the mainboard is doing it right now.

I think I'm liking this suggestion the most. I mean, I'd stick with the rookie qualification, but I had so many complaints about it in the past, and I'm sure I'd get a ton over Holtz.

Unless there's any objections, I think I'll go with the 30 game rule.

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Oh, and keep the under 26 year age limit too.

 

[Zippy316]

I think I'm liking this suggestion the most. I mean, I'd stick with the rookie qualification, but I had so many complaints about it in the past, and I'm sure I'd get a ton over Holtz.

Unless there's any objections, I think I'll go with the 30 game rule.

-edit-
Oh, and keep the under 26 year age limit too.

If anyone can dig up the old hockey’s future eligibility rankings, I believe that’s what these polls were first ranked on.

I want to say it was less than 50 games.

I think I found it. Convoluted but makes sense:

If a prospect is a skater (forward, defenseman) and has played in 65 NHL games or more before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday; or, if a goaltender has played in 45 NHL games before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday, that player will be considered graduated to the NHL. Conversely, if a player completes the season of his 24th birthday without passing those milestones, then that player will no longer be considered a prospect by Hockey’s Future, regardless of the player’s status with his NHL club.

An NCAA player who signs his first contract at or above the age of 22 has three years to meet the above criteria (65/45), while those NCAA players that turn pro under the age of 22 will be subjected to the criteria above.

European players who sign their first NHL contract at or above the age of 22 have three seasons from the time they sign that contract to meet the above criteria. Those European players below the age of 22 that have signed a NHL contract will be subjected to the criteria in section one.

 

[MartyOwns]

I thought the protocol is a one person riot?

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

For all intents and purposes the defining characteristic for these signed players that determines if they are a prospect to me is if their contracts are waiver exempt. Meaning can we send them back to the minors if they need to go back. Holtz next year will still be waiver exempt, Foote will not. That seems right to me, even though Holtz has played 28 NHL games, and Foote has played 19.

 

[JimEIV]

Just start at #3

Edit: who should be Casey.

 

[My3Sons]

Just start at #3

Edit: who should be Casey.

So is @Ripshot 43 first or second?

 

[Nubmer6]

I think I found it. Convoluted but makes sense:

OK. I think it makes sense to go by the HF rules.

If only I could made sense of them.

I guess it's what I'll try. Time to whittle down the list.

 

[Ripshot 43]

So is @Ripshot 43 first or second?

 

[Billdo]

This should be fun

Tedenby, Boucher, Merrill, Gelinas, Tallackson, Suglobov, Hale, Foster, Ward. Corrente. Hoeffel. Don't forget Quenneville, Ty Smith, Blan-DI-SI! Sharifijanov!

I feel like I can make a we didn't start the fire out of these.

Man did I have a thing for several of these guys, can't win them all. At least so far I've been accurate with Schmid.

 

[HBK27]

I'm for whatever option includes the most players - so maybe some age/game limit.

 

[Zippy316]

OK. I think it makes sense to go by the HF rules.

If only I could made sense of them.

I guess it's what I'll try. Time to whittle down the list.

Funny enough Bahl just ages out of that list.

7 games in 2020-21
17 games in 2021-2022
42 games in 2022-2023

Total of 66 games, just over the 65 in that criteria. Feels like he’s the one player that might be a bit of a debate whether to include in the poll.

Can always pull the group in the first and second rankings and then add him in there if most are in favor.

 

[Guttersniped]

Funny enough Bahl just ages out of that list.

7 games in 2020-21
17 games in 2021-2022
42 games in 2022-2023

Total of 66 games, just over the 65 in that criteria. Feels like he’s the one player that might be a bit of a debate whether to include in the poll.

Can always pull the group in the first and second rankings and then add him in there if most are in favor.

I’m generally for having as many players as possible in the poll, but Bahl wasn’t in the poll last year because he wasn’t eligible under the Calder rules.

It would feel odd, to me at least, to put him back after he was already graduated.

Bahl and Mercer were the only players who graduated after last season.

I would keep Holtz and Schmid in, Zetterlund was the one clear graduate from last season (before we shipped his ass off).

Prospect Info: - 2022 HFDevils Prospect Rankings #20 - The End

Rank Player Draft Position Vote % 2021 Result 2020 Result 1 Luke Hughes 2021 Round 1 #4 Overall 79.2 Luke Hughes Alexander Holtz 2 Simon Nemec 2022 Round 1 #2 Overall 87.9 Dawson Mercer Ty Smith 3 Alexander Holtz 2020 Round 1 #7 Overall 81.4 Alexander Holtz Dawson Mercer 4 Arseni...

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[SJinNewJersey]

This should be fun

Tedenby, Boucher, Merrill, Gelinas, Tallackson, Suglobov, Hale, Foster, Ward. Corrente. Hoeffel. Don't forget Quenneville, Ty Smith, Blan-DI-SI! Sharifijanov!

I feel like I can make a we didn't start the fire out of these.

I've always been partial to Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond.

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[TBF1972]

I dunno. I think he graduated under the current rules.

at his age it's called retired not graduated