LaffyTaffy13
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Proposal: Henrique at 50% and Vatrano to NYR
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Jared Dunn
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Last thing Ducks need is LD and I don't think Jones carries much value at all. New York basically getting Henrique for free here Vatrano's value is for sure at least a 1st
Jared Dunn
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I actually do think they'd be cap compliant here just by sending down Pitlick or Brodzinski
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LaffyTaffy13
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I think its possible market could push prices up to the point where Henrique and Vatrano could fetch 1st round picks individually, so pass for me.
Sniperberg
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Almost "Fowler and a 1st for McIllrath"-level delusional?
WhatTheDuck
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The only reason for Anaheim to consider packaging them together, would be to pry away a young player/prospect of a higher quality than they could return individually. The Ducks have a ton of young depth, and are already set to draft seven times in the top 100 again this year. They need quality over quantity as much or more than anyone.
The market for Henrique as a rental, may be strong enough to fetch a late first. Vatrano with his production and signed another year at a reasonable cap hit, the Ducks should be looking at a later first for him as well. The point of packaging them together, would be to get a young piece they'd covet more than the returns they'd get separately.
It would be nice if people would stop and put a little thought into the proposal from the other side. If a team has Fowler, Mintyukov, Zellweger, Lacombe and Vaakanainen as NHL LHD, it stands to reason that there's no point trying to sell them on Jones.
The market for Henrique as a rental, may be strong enough to fetch a late first. Vatrano with his production and signed another year at a reasonable cap hit, the Ducks should be looking at a later first for him as well. The point of packaging them together, would be to get a young piece they'd covet more than the returns they'd get separately.
It would be nice if people would stop and put a little thought into the proposal from the other side. If a team has Fowler, Mintyukov, Zellweger, Lacombe and Vaakanainen as NHL LHD, it stands to reason that there's no point trying to sell them on Jones.
duxfan1101
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I wouldn't do this trade for Vatrano by himself, let alone both him and Henrique. Jones does nothing for us and while Berard is a fine prospect, he is almost certainly too small for our GM to covet him.
WhatTheDuck
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We have no use for Jones, but I can't turn my nose up at a 1st + Berard for Vatrano. Have always like Berard as a prospect and he's having a pretty solid rookie pro season.
duxfan1101
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He’s a fine prospect, but I have a very hard time seeing him being much more than a 3rd liner at the NHL level. And we have enough of that, IMO. I also think Verbeek would much rather have bigger players in the bottom 6 anyway.
samsagat
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Yep, that's a very plausible possibility...
The thing is, NHL is a long process league...
It's not like the NFL where most of 1st and 2nd rounders will make it the next year.
In the NHL, drafted players takes way longer to develop and there's a lot more uncertainty when it comes to development.
Where I wanna go with this is in such circumstances, when you have a chance to make it to the end, you go all in.
Furthermore, when you're a contender you're gonna pick late 1st round. And the probability of these picks turning into star players is actually pretty slim.
And you have about 50% probability to draft an NHL player... but an ordinary one.
So no wonder why NHL GMs of contending teams are distributing late 1st rd picks like candies when it comes to TD...
Because at the end of the day, you have to play it "all in" when you're close, in this league.
Here in MTL, we had a GM that p***yfooted when his team was a contender.
He feared spending his late 1st to get the top 6 center he lacked, hoping "to get into playoffs then anything can happen"...
The thing is he never won anything with the team as it was and all of his late 1st turned into flops...
At least if he tried...
WhatTheDuck
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I think I prefer Berard to any of current AHL F prospects to be honest, but not more than Hvidston and Myatovic who are incoming. I don't disagree that he's not a high end prospect, but I also just don't expect Vatrano to pull a first and also a major add on top. Just not sure how reactive teams will be to his current production or if they'll ultimately view him as the same useful middle six scorer he's been for awhile. 1.5 year rental, I think a first and good but not high end prospect - sounds about right
+1000 on larger players will be brought in moving forward we already have zegras Terry fowler and now Zellwegger. I don’t mention Henrique and silf since they are small, yes, but on their way out
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Are the Ducks at the point where they even need to trade Vatrano/Henrique? Don't they have a pretty full prospect cupboard?
Seems like they might just keep Vatrano and try and re-sign Henrique to me as an outsider.
Edit: Silfverberg however seems like a lock to be moved.
Seems like they might just keep Vatrano and try and re-sign Henrique to me as an outsider.
Edit: Silfverberg however seems like a lock to be moved.
Jared Dunn
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Henrique is about as much of a lock as there is to move to be honest. I'm not sure how big of a market there will be for Silfverberg even at 50%. I know he's great defensively but over 2.5 million for a guy that contenders will probably want for their 4th line
I think you are significantly undervaluing Vatrano, even if you view this year as an outlier. He's a proven middle six forward who can play on both the the penalty kill and power play (second unit), with a strong playoff track record. And its not just the production - he has a phenomenal contract for a guy in his prime who brings those elements.
If he's traded, he'll very likely get a first (or premium prospect) with at least one additional good piece. Otherwise, the ducks can just keep him and trade him in the off season or next trade deadline.
He's not a first line player. That being said, he had 13 points in 20 playoff games (5,8). Seems pretty noticeable to me.
He also brings a bit of the pest/sand paper factor which is a good thing in the playoffs.
Jared Dunn
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If they retain 50% I think they get a 1st + 2nd kind of value, maybe a bit more. Full cap I think his value is probably around 1st + 3rd range. I would keep him until the draft and trade him if I'm the Ducks
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that was the problem. he got stuck on our first line and was a huge part of them being one of the worst defensive lines in the league. I don't trust he'll be slotted properly. I didn't say he wasn't noticeable or useless.
If NYR re-acquired him now, would he be targeted for the first line? With the current roster, seems not.
At the TDL, a true first line player (even a rental) is going to fetch a pretty big haul. More than a first round pick +. The question is what is the market for a solid middle six guy with a great contract - that is Vatrano.
I would offer the Oilers 1st, Broberg and Bourgault for Vatrano @ 50%.
But, Oilers fans probably won't agree. I don't care about prospects and picks anymore
But, Oilers fans probably won't agree. I don't care about prospects and picks anymore
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