Hellebuyck in the Central Division

[jetsforever]

We all know that Northern defence/goalies couldn't stop a beach ball, leading to abysmal stats like Hellebuyck's egregious .920 SV%. On the other hand though, we rarely talk about how the Central teams seemingly don't know how to score. Vezina-favourite Vasilevskiy luckily gets to play in that dead-puck-style gauntlet, where he has emerged with an impressive .929 SV%.
Imagine though that we lived in a world where Hellebuyck played for a Central team - would he Hasek his way through that offensively-challenged division and pick up another Vezina?


( in the spirit of all these fun recent hypotheticals, apologies in advance)

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[Ignite111]

Maybe. As long as Shesterkin wasn’t also in the central.

 

[TheDoldrums]

 

[AvroArrow]

Central division actually plays defence, he'd have a 100% SVP

 

[Atoyot]

 

[Regal]

Hard to say. The Jets aren't great defensively either way, so that's a hindrance, and the Jets would have to play Tampa's offense, which Vasi gets to avoid. He would probably have better stats based on competition, so his odds would be higher, but he'd likely still be in the same pool of 3-5 guys who are the in the mix currently.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Central can't score or Central has stacked defensive teams?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

There’s always an excuse for the North goalies.

 

[ThatsSoSlavin]

Depends on what team he’s placed on imo, goalie stats generally are heavily influenced on the quality of players a team is icing and the system in which they play

imagine him on Colorado

 

[jetsforever]

Central can't score or Central has stacked defensive teams?

Could be either, but people like to blame the relatively high-scoring North for having "terrible defence" rather than talking about their stacked offensive teams

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Could be either, but people like to blame the relatively high-scoring North for having "terrible defence" rather than talking about their stacked offensive teams

I mean, they are pretty terrible compared to TB, Dallas, Carolina, Nashville, etc.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

There’s always an excuse for the North goalies.

Remember when you tried to say Shesterkin was better than Helle

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Remember when you tried to say Shesterkin was better than Helle

No, I said he’d be more likely to have a better season because Hellebuyck is very inconsistent.

And as should come as no surprise, Shestyorkin has statistically been better.

But I guess like with other North goalies, Markstrom and Price, excuses apply for him and he’s apparently actually a lot better than his numbers indicate. That of course isn’t extended to other goalies, only a select few in the North division.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

No, I said he’d be more likely to have a better season because Hellebuyck is very inconsistent.

And as should come as no surprise, Shestyorkin has statistically been better.

But I guess like with other North goalies, Markstrom and Price, excuses apply for him and he’s apparently actually a lot better than his numbers indicate. That of course isn’t extended to other goalies, only a select few in the North division.

No he hasn't lol what are you talking about.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

No he hasn't lol what are you talking about.

Hellebuyck:

SV%: 919
GSAA/60: .33
GAA: 2.5

Shestyorkin:

SV%: .924
GSAA/60: .48
GAA: 2.35

 

[Spirit of 67]

He would have an equal chance.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Hellebuyck:

SV%: 919
GSAA/60: .33
GAA: 2.5

Shestyorkin:

SV%: .924
GSAA/60: .48
GAA: 2.35

GAA is a team stat.

It is closer than I expected though.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

GAA is a team stat.

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It is closer than I expected though.

I have no clue what Goals Saved Above Expected is, and where I could find it, but Hellebuyck has not been the second best goalie in the league.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

I have no clue what Goals Saved Above Expected is, and where I could find it, but Hellebuyck has not been the second best goalie in the league.

I mean, he's been damn close if not lol.

 

[Atoyot]

No, I said he’d be more likely to have a better season because Hellebuyck is very inconsistent.

And as should come as no surprise, Shestyorkin has statistically been better.

But I guess like with other North goalies, Markstrom and Price, excuses apply for him and he’s apparently actually a lot better than his numbers indicate. That of course isn’t extended to other goalies, only a select few in the North division.

You took the sample size of his first 4 seasons and concluded that he was going to continue following a good year-bad year pattern. In that you decided to include as an example, again to an already very small sample size, a year where the average sv% in the league dropped significantly due to changes in goalie equipment size. It was a pretty bad take.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You took the sample size of his first 4 seasons and concluded that he was going to continue following a good year-bad year pattern. In that you decided to include as an example, again to an already very small sample size, a year where the average sv% in the league dropped significantly due to changes in goalie equipment size. It was a pretty bad take.

And his SV% has dropped once again. He’s been worse this season than last season.

 

[jetsforever]

And his SV% has dropped once again. He’s been worse this season than last season.

Are you speaking facetiously? This is a strange argument
(also note that the difference between .919 and .922 is a total of 3 goals so it's not a huge change, never mind having to face McDrai and Matthews all the time)

 

[Svechhammer]

In the Central defense vs Central offense debate, I'd just like to say that if you don't think its the defense, then you're saying its a lack of offensive firepower that has the Carolina Hurricanes 4th in the league in goals against this year. Look, I'm a fan don't get me wrong, but even I'm not going to say that all of Petr Mrazek, James Reimer, and Alex Nedeljkovic turned into Vezina contenders during this past offseason.

 

[Gritty4Hart]

In the Central defense vs Central offense debate, I'd just like to say that if you don't think its the defense, then you're saying its a lack of offensive firepower that has the Carolina Hurricanes 4th in the league in goals against this year. Look, I'm a fan don't get me wrong, but even I'm not going to say that all of Petr Mrazek, James Reimer, and Alex Nedeljkovic turned into Vezina contenders during this past offseason.

The offense in the Central isn't any worse than it is in other divisions, maybe the East has the most offensive firepower but it's not by much. Comparing the Central with the North is basically a wash. Tampa, Carolina, and Florida have just as good a forward group as any of Edmonton, Toronto, and Winnipeg do. Defense is what makes this debate interesting. I'd probably take four or five defenses from the Central before even considering a North team's defense. Depending on which team Hellebuyck played for his numbers could definitely be better in the Central but it's all obviously hypothetical.

 

[snowkiddin]

Are you speaking facetiously? This is a strange argument
(also note that the difference between .919 and .922 is a total of 3 goals so it's not a huge change, never mind having to face McDrai and Matthews all the time)

Zoinks, what an embarrassing take by that gentleman. Hellebuyck’s SV% is a whopping TWO percentage points lower than last year and his GAA is lower than last year’s as well.