Head Coach 2014-15
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CHGoalie27
Don't blame the goalie!
I dunno brotha, I'm not quite even halfway convinced that coaching was to blame for the last string of losses.
A few bad calls/non-calls, few horrific turnovers less and this thread might just be about Mr.Hor's extension.
A few bad calls/non-calls, few horrific turnovers less and this thread might just be about Mr.Hor's extension.
EnforceTheLaus
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I think (from assorted interviews) that going ~.500 here on out is the basis for an extension.
So far I like what Horachek has brought in. The sense of structure in the play (pp /PK aside) has made a big difference. Also the night and day change in the D corps.
If we can do something around ~.500 I'd be happy with an extension. Though I would leave the assistants up to Horachek.
So far I like what Horachek has brought in. The sense of structure in the play (pp /PK aside) has made a big difference. Also the night and day change in the D corps.
If we can do something around ~.500 I'd be happy with an extension. Though I would leave the assistants up to Horachek.
I think this guy is Tallon or Santos's quick fix guy. I don't think he has a chance of getting extended. No matter what he does or how the team does.
The next coach will be Viola's guy. Which should setup the eventual replacement of Tallon as well.
The next coach will be Viola's guy. Which should setup the eventual replacement of Tallon as well.
RainingRats
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I like what I've seen so far. I think the biggest issue we have is talent, not coaching.
If we continue to see the team put in a solid effort, the young guys develop, and there's a sense that we're really a couple players away from making the playoffs, we sign him to an extension.
If we had a competent powerplay, we might be close to .500.
If we continue to see the team put in a solid effort, the young guys develop, and there's a sense that we're really a couple players away from making the playoffs, we sign him to an extension.
If we had a competent powerplay, we might be close to .500.
CHGoalie27
Don't blame the goalie!
Good call SeasonTicket, Vinnie appears to be one us disgruntled Rangers fan convert types. Also, nobody would come in and fire the GM right away.
We can speculate all we want, I doubt anyone here know Viola personally enough to speak of his hockey knowledge and whether or not hes educated enough to know who a better fit would be. I so, speak up! I kinda get the feeling he might be
I have no problem with our current coaches, any of them.
We can speculate all we want, I doubt anyone here know Viola personally enough to speak of his hockey knowledge and whether or not hes educated enough to know who a better fit would be. I so, speak up! I kinda get the feeling he might be
I have no problem with our current coaches, any of them.
If Viola chooses "His guy" for coach, then this ownership will be no better than any ownerships of the past.
EnforceTheLaus
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I don't think he is a "quick fix" he was brought in to SA with the intention of replacing Dineen early in the summer. He was also one of Tallon's finalists for the the job Dineen eventually got. Then factor in his ties to S. FLA and Horachek was intended to replace Dineen during the season, or in the offseason.
CHGoalie27
Don't blame the goalie!
...and its sure not talent, were lacking. Its the decision making within teamwork. They pass when they should shoot, drop to no trailer. Coaching can do a bit to help, but the execution is on the skaters. Everyone of these guys have talent.
Watch any old Soviet video, the tight passing...those (humans) were trained to know to do that and they had to go out and pull it off. Well not too many teams come close to that kind of precision, donno why...fire em all?
Chemistry? I think it's not coaching and its not talent, really.
Watch any old Soviet video, the tight passing...those (humans) were trained to know to do that and they had to go out and pull it off. Well not too many teams come close to that kind of precision, donno why...fire em all?
Chemistry? I think it's not coaching and its not talent, really.
CHGoalie27
Don't blame the goalie!
I absolutely 100% disagree with even the slight possibility that Viola should have a strong impact in hockey personnel decisions aside from hiring a GM.
EnforceTheLaus
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Agree completely. Viner may not have had he deepest pockets but he knew to let Tallon work. Something I hope Viola follows, with more spending of course.
CHGoalie27
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adam graves
Panther 20 yr sth
What we have is some amazing up and coming talent, and a bunch of mediocre journeyman.
We've had 2 coaches here this season and no bottom line improvement. Scotty bowman wouldn't make a huge impact here with this roster. Viner failed to fill in where we desperately needed to. Plain and simple.
Because it causes all sorts of problems. First and foremost, there should be a well maintained hierarchy, if Viola starts making hockey decisions, what does that say about the GM to the rest of the team? How will the GM feel about how the owner is basically saying he can't do his own job? How will the players view that? How will the coaches view that? It is not conducive to a good working environment for anyone. Everybody should have their roles and work within their roles. If Viola took those actions, the focus isn't on hockey any longer in my opinion. You'll have a pissed off GM, potentially pissed off coaches, and it will cause distractions.
Also, if Vinny Viola starts making hockey personnel decisions, we potentially bring in the slippery slope mechanism. Will he start telling the GM who to acquire via trade? Who to draft? What scouts to hire? Where does it begin and end?
What if Viola started having friendships with players, such as Cohen and Jokinen did?
This is all made MUCH worse if Viola had zero clue about hockey (which is a possibility).
If Viola strays into the hockey ops department of this organization, it will do nothing but open up the pandora's box.
GrumpyKelly
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Viola is the owner, he might not know jack about hockey and he doesn´t have to. Just like a shareholder of a company. All hockey related decisions should be made by the management.
Hey his kid is in the hockey ops dept already with a VP title so who knows if that box is not already cracked open and just waiting to be opened further. I wouldnt be surprised if Travis is supposedly "put in charge" of interviewing for the new head coach in the offseason.
Coach Nate
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PanthersHockey1
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Yes. Structurally and motivationally i still think in our losses we are giving more than we did with dineen. No talent to finish scoring chances, no talent creating turnovers defensively.
That's a tough question because we lack talent. No coach can come here and coach this team to the playoffs. I'm sorry we just don't have the talent yet.
This team was thrown together at the very last minute of the off season. We got the scraps no one wanted because of the ownership change. Had it changed sooner, I'm sure we'd be in a completely different spot right now, HOWEVER this is what we are.
I'd like to see a proper NHL roster here before throwing any coaching staff member under the bus. I understand something had to change so Dineen was let go but I don't blame Dineen for this teams short comings.
On one hand I want Horchuk to grow with these kids as we add proper talent to the team but the other hand wants to go outside the organization and hire a coach with winning experience.
I'm torn.
This team was thrown together at the very last minute of the off season. We got the scraps no one wanted because of the ownership change. Had it changed sooner, I'm sure we'd be in a completely different spot right now, HOWEVER this is what we are.
I'd like to see a proper NHL roster here before throwing any coaching staff member under the bus. I understand something had to change so Dineen was let go but I don't blame Dineen for this teams short comings.
On one hand I want Horchuk to grow with these kids as we add proper talent to the team but the other hand wants to go outside the organization and hire a coach with winning experience.
I'm torn.
adam graves
Panther 20 yr sth
