Pre-Game Talk: Hawks in the SENS Den, Tues 7:30 pm on TSN
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Alex1234
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Good start imo, two horrible goals against, pick yourself up, a suspect call or two brings to 4-0, claw back to 4-2 and then the old delay of game penalty from Smith finished us off....sucks that they flat out gave up after as it appeared it could have been a competitive game from the start, but understandable given the way the game played out. Way she goes and back to tanking, expect more of the same tonight vs the Leafs.
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Every time we think we hit rock bottom it seems to get worse with another blowout loss just around the corner.
Pierre from Orleans
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He was benched for long periods of time. Only when it was a blowout did he get to see any ice.
Pierre from Orleans
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Combination of this team not as good as some think they are in addition to the majority of them not really caring is a recipe for disaster.
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What's the deal with him? Has he had any major leg injuries?
I've heard he has a really good work ethic in the gym...which is confusing because his endurance looks like shit. He'll move his legs one shift on the rush...and the rest of the game he's luke Richardson/Jason smith out there not moving his legs swinging his stick around.
For a guy known to spend a lot of time in the gym, he sure doesn't do much explosive training for his lower body...nor does he seem to do any long distance cardio.
jbeck5
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I hope we don't do like Ryan and sign him based off what he did 5 years ago. Based off the last couple seasons(which is all that matters really) he shouldn't get a lick over 5 million.
Pierre from Orleans
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Checked out after 6-2 but I found Duchene to be one of the only guys going last night setting up his line mates countless times early on, I have liked his game since he has gotten here, it is more what he is surrounded with and in last nights case who was behind him that is the problem imo.
If we based who we want to re-sign going forward out of "the vets" on this season alone it would be Duchene, Stone and Dzingle for me, that is all.
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He saw the ice though, I remember him creating 1 turnover, and also turning the puck over a few times.
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He also had a semi breakaway and led the breakout on a couple occasions.
Rookie mistakes are expected. He's not doing more harm than any other player.
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No he is not, but it's not like he did anything special to garner more ice time. I guess because everyone else sucked too why not give him more ice time? What a time to be alive.
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We don't know that for sure. Some players decline quickly.
I don't like this logic of "they produced 5 years ago...so even if they haven't produced in 2 years they can start producing again"...that's exactly how you end up with Bobby Ryan contracts. You'd think we'd learn.
For every player that has their production go up after age 25, there's a few that their production go down.
For every alfredsson, there's a joe Juneau.
Look at guys like heatley and spezza. Their best years came in their early to mid 20s.
Players offensive peaks are usually around 24. Not 28-32 like some people think.
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It just doesn't make sense to me when you have future prospects looking to make an impact that you'd give them the ice time they've been getting in favor of guys who aren't projected to be here long term. Especially when playoffs are unrealistic.
If the team was winning, in a playoff spot and everyone is playing well then yes its understandable to a degree but not given our circumstances
jbeck5
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6x6 for a 40 something point player who has declined in production 4-5 years in a row? I'm not high enough for this...
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Same he also got a semi-breakaway. I hope they let him try Ryan's spot tonight. I hope Boucher is able to see by himself that playing our vets the way he has hasn't done any good this year and won't do any good for the rest of the year either. Mix it up Guy.
PeterSidorkiewicz
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Honestly if you can’t net a couple with those guys on your wings you probably shouldn’t have an NHL career.
In all seriousness I guess someone has to play with them right? I mean yeah I’m not opposed to benching both guys but who are the replacements? I’m all for throwing more young guys in but I’m not holding my breath for any results.
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Karlsson was one of the biggest advocates in the org of bringing Duchene in. They are tight, have been for years, off-season workout partners, etc...
The team walking away from Duchene, the guy Karlsson specifically wanted here, could very realistically be the last straw for him here in Ottawa.
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I'm not saying don't sign duchene. I'm saying sign duchene according to what he's done the last few years...not what he did a handful of years ago. That's how you end up with Ryan.
Where does duchenes production rank in the last 2 years, and how much do those players make around that ranking? 4-5 million? I'd do that. 6-7 million? Need to do all types of drugs to be ok with that.
