Have we learned our lesson about "lunchpail, heart n' soul grinders?"

[Sorge Georos]

A narrative frequently trotted on these boards is that the Islanders' biggest problem is that they get pushed around and "aren't hard to play against."

Well, how has trading a soft, whiny brat (and defensively efficient point producer) for a tough as nails "guy who plays a different role" worked out for the Islanders?

Hits =/= wins. Narrative =/= wins. Goals and defense = wins

/Frustration thread--lock if you must

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[MattMartin]

A narrative frequently trotted on these boards is that the Islanders' biggest problem is that they get pushed around and "aren't hard to play against."

Well, how has trading a soft, whiny brat (and defensively efficient point producer) for a tough as nails "guy who plays a different role" worked out for the Islanders?

Hits =/= wins. Narrative =/= wins. Goals and defense = wins

/Frustration thread--lock if you must

And people wanted to see Martin go as a "sweetener". It should speak volumes that Boston fans were wanting him.

 

[Sorge Georos]

And people wanted to see Martin go as a "sweetener". It should speak volumes that Boston fans were wanting him.

Keyword "fans."

Martin's a fan-favorite because of his flashy hits and cliched "heart on his sleeve grinder" characterization that stems from his lack of offensive talent.

As for his on-ice play, he's just not all that valuable. We have two of the top 4 hits leaders...but does that make it any harder to score goals through this inept defense?

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

These two things aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Isles Junkie]

The Isles may stink, but it's not because of Matt Martin (or anyone on the 4th line). He could certainly be playing better, and I honestly thought he'd turn into a 20 point kind of guy (and he still may), but he's the least of our problems. Our defense and goaltending are atrocious. Our 1st line is incomplete with the vanek trade. We're likely a lottery team again next year. But again, Martin is the least of our worried.

 

[YearlyLottery]

The isles bigges tproblem is our owner and our backup goalie is at GM.

 

[Isles Junkie]

The isles bigges tproblem is our owner and our backup goalie is at GM.

I think I'd rather have Poulin as our GM & Snow as our backup

 

[seabass45]

A narrative frequently trotted on these boards is that the Islanders' biggest problem is that they get pushed around and "aren't hard to play against."

Well, how has trading a soft, whiny brat (and defensively efficient point producer) for a tough as nails "guy who plays a different role" worked out for the Islanders?

Hits =/= wins. Narrative =/= wins. Goals and defense = wins

/Frustration thread--lock if you must

That trade is like the 4th biggest problem with the team. There's the goaltending problem, the coaching problem, and the GM problem, and the GM problem leads to this. Garth had a good thing into last offseason and managed to regress in every way possible.

 

[YearlyLottery]

I think I'd rather have Poulin as our GM & Snow as our backup

He can't be much worse.

 

[BTrotts19]

That trade is like the 4th biggest problem with the team. There's the goaltending problem, the coaching problem, and the GM problem, and the GM problem leads to this. Garth had a good thing into last offseason and managed to regress in every way possible.

Much like the former AMac did.....should have shipped Snow off with him

 

[Strummergas]

Imagine if just one player on this roster was responsible for this season's woes.....

 

[Poliz24]

A narrative frequently trotted on these boards is that the Islanders' biggest problem is that they get pushed around and "aren't hard to play against."

Well, how has trading a soft, whiny brat (and defensively efficient point producer) for a tough as nails "guy who plays a different role" worked out for the Islanders?

Hits =/= wins. Narrative =/= wins. Goals and defense = wins

/Frustration thread--lock if you must

NOPE! We haven't!

 

[Sorge Georos]

Imagine if just one player on this roster was responsible for this season's woes.....

Never really insinuated that. Just venting at Garth's terrible asset management and the rationalizing of that godawful Clutterbuck trade.

 

[doublechili]

Replace Clutterbuck with Nino and the Isles would be in the playoffs.

 

[OlTimeHockey]

Replace Clutterbuck with Nino and the Isles would be in the playoffs.

Replace Putin with Nino and we're all speaking Russian now. He's the bestest.

 

[Sorge Georos]

Replace Clutterbuck with Nino and the Isles would be in the playoffs.

Didn't say Nino would carry us to the playoffs.

However, Nino >>> Clutterbuck

Simple as that.

 

[DarkHorse]

It doesn't matter who is on the ice as long as Crapuano/Snow/Wang are in charge.

 

[Hip Of Rick*]

Didn't say Nino would carry us to the playoffs.

However, Nino >>> Clutterbuck

Simple as that.

Another in the long line of Snow errors not forced by Wang

 

[Strummergas]

Never really insinuated that. Just venting at Garth's terrible asset management and the rationalizing of that godawful Clutterbuck trade.

So with fresh, new steaming pile of **** just dumped on us, you bring up a trade from almost a year ago? Better late than never, I suppose.

 

[Sorge Georos]

So with fresh, new steaming pile of **** just dumped on us, you bring up a trade from almost a year ago? Better late than never, I suppose.

Well, basically.

I guess the latest blunder opened an old wound.

 

[Seph]

Trading for Vanek didn't work out either, but that doesn't mean we should avoid highly skilled, proven scoring line players either.

 

[nc1972]

I think what malPhoney might be saying is look at Nino's numbers this year in what one must view as his first real shot at the NHL level. His stint with the Islanders on the fourth line should be scratched he was destined to fail. And compare that to players like a Cuttlebuck,McDonald and alike all the running around and hitting yes it great but we have too many of that type of player. Now look at what Nelson and Lee have shown and you can see that Nino would have given us similar results large body's good skills net front presence wining battles for pucks on the boards. . This team has to many soldiers yes each team requires role players but we have too many and one can not dispute the size issue and while Im at it I hear we play a speed game if thats the case we need some players other then Grabner who have some speed.