Hasek vs. Roy vs. Brodeur
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I'd like to say Brodeur.
Sure he's had a good team infront of him, but it was a team that works. Even in the current days right now where he doesn't have Nieds or Stevens, he still gets about 40 wins a season, while playing 70 games a year.
His highest GAA average is 2.57, in 05-06, was still in the top ten. He's has an amazing 7 40 win seasons, while Roy and Hasek have only had one each. He also holds the all-time record for consecutive 30 win seasons (with 12) and 35 win seasons( with 11) He's had under 2.00 GAA twice in his career, while the other two have had it once respectively.
Add in Three Vezinas, 4 Jennings Trophies, a calder, and 3 cup rings, you have probably the greatest goalie of all time.
With all due respect to Roy and Hasek, (like Roy who has some nice Conn Smythe Trophies , and Hasek for winning back to back Hart Trophies) Brodeur takes this one.
Sure he's had a good team infront of him, but it was a team that works. Even in the current days right now where he doesn't have Nieds or Stevens, he still gets about 40 wins a season, while playing 70 games a year.
His highest GAA average is 2.57, in 05-06, was still in the top ten. He's has an amazing 7 40 win seasons, while Roy and Hasek have only had one each. He also holds the all-time record for consecutive 30 win seasons (with 12) and 35 win seasons( with 11) He's had under 2.00 GAA twice in his career, while the other two have had it once respectively.
Add in Three Vezinas, 4 Jennings Trophies, a calder, and 3 cup rings, you have probably the greatest goalie of all time.
With all due respect to Roy and Hasek, (like Roy who has some nice Conn Smythe Trophies , and Hasek for winning back to back Hart Trophies) Brodeur takes this one.
I think then opinion if you did a poll on the history board would be
Hasek
Roy
Brodeur
Brodeur has nice numbers but they were very much affected by era and team.
Hasek and Roy dominate in save percentage especially in the playoffs (adjusted). Hasek has better peak value, Roy better career values. But my opinion both are 2 of the top 3 best goalies ever. Brodeur is a clear step behind.
Hasek
Roy
Brodeur
Brodeur has nice numbers but they were very much affected by era and team.
Hasek and Roy dominate in save percentage especially in the playoffs (adjusted). Hasek has better peak value, Roy better career values. But my opinion both are 2 of the top 3 best goalies ever. Brodeur is a clear step behind.
FissionFire
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http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=489442]Round 2, Vote 3
Dominik Hasek vs. Patrick Roy vs. Jacques Plante vs. Terry Sawchuk vs. Glenn Hall
Brodeur wasn't in the picture yet but might be next season for the update. In any case, read over the posts in that thread and you'll probably get the best reading on the debate of the goalie greats anywhere on the web.
Dominik Hasek vs. Patrick Roy vs. Jacques Plante vs. Terry Sawchuk vs. Glenn Hall
Brodeur wasn't in the picture yet but might be next season for the update. In any case, read over the posts in that thread and you'll probably get the best reading on the debate of the goalie greats anywhere on the web.
FissionFire
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GAA is a team stat
Wins is a team stat
Jennings is a team award
Stanley Cup is a team award
Your argument is basically that Brodeur is better because the team he was on is better? Sorry, that's just crazy. Until he can have ONE season as dominating as the 6-year span of dominance Hasek produced he doesn't even belong in the conversation.
Dennis Bonvie
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I agree completely.
Hasek was just the best I ever saw. But Roy won 3 Cup, and I mean he won 3 cups. And in the finals of one of those, he completely outplayed Brodeur (and he had to) in a 7 game series.
FissionFire
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But in the only series Hasek and Roy faced off, Hasek outplayed him (especially in Games 6 & 7).
Reds4Life
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Not to mention 98 Olympics. Roy played for much better team (on paper
) and Hasek still won.
Okay. Lets take the 05-06 season, where the devils weren't exactly the strongest team. Or how about this past season, where he won another Vezina, and another 40 win season (He's had 7 40 win seasons. There's consistency.), and had a 2.57 GAA, and a 0.911 save percent.
Heck the guy is 2nd all time for Shutouts.
According to you, Goalies have team stats. I guess that includes Hasek as well. I mean, afterall he had his lone 40 win season with a cup winning wings. A very STACKED wings team.
When you think Devils, you think Brodeur , and for a good reason. He's that good. You don't say now "oh well the devils have a great team in front" they don't. They have a good team, but not a cup contending team.
The thing about Brodeur, it doesn't really matter what team is infront, he's proved that he can do it. He constantly leads his team to the playoffs.
Call me crazy, but the stats and hardware don't lie. Even with the quality team in front. Brodeur is great.
TheDevilMadeMe
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Brodeur is a lot like Lidstrom in that a big part of his legacy will be determined after he retires. If the Devils (or the Wings in Lidstrom's case) go completely in the toilet after he retires, it'll show people that he really was the team.
In other words, I think people take both players for granted a bit, because it's hard to separate the player from the great team... or is the team great because of the player?
In other words, I think people take both players for granted a bit, because it's hard to separate the player from the great team... or is the team great because of the player?
TheDevilMadeMe
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Roy had one of the worst series of his life that time. You can hardly use it to say anything about his career.
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i don't think that's true. he was great other than game 7. his statue of liberty gaffe was just one play.
he had several worse series in the '80s, and was worse in '03 against minnesota.
dcinroc
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For me, I respect the fact that Brodeur has continued to be a top goalie without becoming a giant marshmallow. While for all of Roy's obvious skill, I take a dim view of his role in bringing on the age of the Michelin Man.
sabresfan129103
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this is probably the best way to put it. if your looking to who had the best career then obviously hasek comes in 3rd. if your looking at who had the best skill at playing the position then hasek wins hands down.
FissionFire
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Okay. Lets take the 05-06 season, where the devils weren't exactly the strongest team. Or how about this past season, where he won another Vezina, and another 40 win season (He's had 7 40 win seasons. There's consistency.), and had a 2.57 GAA, and a 0.911 save percent.
Heck the guy is 2nd all time for Shutouts.
According to you, Goalies have team stats. I guess that includes Hasek as well. I mean, afterall he had his lone 40 win season with a cup winning wings. A very STACKED wings team.
When you think Devils, you think Brodeur , and for a good reason. He's that good. You don't say now "oh well the devils have a great team in front" they don't. They have a good team, but not a cup contending team.
The thing about Brodeur, it doesn't really matter what team is infront, he's proved that he can do it. He constantly leads his team to the playoffs.
Call me crazy, but the stats and hardware don't lie. Even with the quality team in front. Brodeur is great.
Seriously, stop trying to use GAA, wins, and shutouts as evidence that Brodeur is better. TEAMS get wins, not goalies. And yes, Hasek's only 40 win season was when he was on a great TEAM. It wasn't even close to his best season ever.
As for his awards, let's start off by eliminating crap like the Jennings. That's the ultimate team award. Hell, Hasek won it this season and I don't think anyone would mistake him for an elite goalie this year. Now Brodeur just won his 4th Vezina. Impressive for sure. But people bag on Lidstrom for having a lack of competition and frankly Brodeur's is as weak or weaker. He never won anything prior to Roy's retirement and Hasek's first retirement. His first Vezina was in Roy's final season in 2002-03 (and Hasek was "retired" that year). He has 4 Vezina's, 3 1st team and 4 2nd team all-star berths, and is top 10 in save percentage only 6 times in his career, never finishing higher than 3rd.
Hasek has SIX Vezina's (2 more than Brodeur), 2 Harts (2 more than Brodeur), 2 Pearsons (2 more than Brodeur), 7 1st team all-star berths (as many as Brodeur has TOTAL all-star berths), and was a top 10 in save percentage ELEVEN times and led the league six consecutive seasons. Oh, and by the way he did all this with Roy and Brodeur as direct competition, something Brodeur hasn't. Not to mention Hasek's outstanding play to beat the stacked and heavily-favored Canadians for Olympic Gold. Hasek retired with a CAREER .922 save percentage, tops of any goalie in NHL history. Brodeur has one season in his entire career where he had better than a .922 save percentage and one other where he matched it. Even last season when you say he was outstanding he only posted a .920, below Hasek's career average. During his reign of dominance Hasek has a save percentage of .930 or better 5 times. Brodeur's career best season is .927 1996-97 is arguable Brodeur's best season and Hasek was STILL better than him that year.
Keeping in mind, Hasek didn't even break into the NHL until he was 26 and didn't get a starting job until getting traded to Buffalo at 28. Before that he was absolutely dominating the Czech league behind the iron curtain and it's very plausible that had he been able to come over sooner and have another 5 or 6 years in the NHL in his prime that'd he'd be unquestionably the best goalie ever. If he had 2 or 3 more years like his 6 year span from 1993-94 through 1998-99 there wouldn't really be much debate. As bad as the current Devils are, they're still a better team than the Buffalo squads Hasek backstopped. Brodeur is a fine goalie, but he's simply not in Hasek's class.
Maybe if you go strictly by NHL career and weight the playoffs significantly above the regular season I'd agree. I think Hasek's NHL career is still better than Brodeur's and if you include his Czech and Olympic accomplishments as well he's at worst on par with Roy (although I'd argue his career accomplishments were better still).
Okay. Lets take the 05-06 season, where the devils weren't exactly the strongest team. Or how about this past season, where he won another Vezina, and another 40 win season (He's had 7 40 win seasons. There's consistency.), and had a 2.57 GAA, and a 0.911 save percent.
Heck the guy is 2nd all time for Shutouts.
According to you, Goalies have team stats. I guess that includes Hasek as well. I mean, afterall he had his lone 40 win season with a cup winning wings. A very STACKED wings team.
When you think Devils, you think Brodeur , and for a good reason. He's that good. You don't say now "oh well the devils have a great team in front" they don't. They have a good team, but not a cup contending team.
The thing about Brodeur, it doesn't really matter what team is infront, he's proved that he can do it. He constantly leads his team to the playoffs.
Call me crazy, but the stats and hardware don't lie. Even with the quality team in front. Brodeur is great.
I have to disagree man. I will first post Brodeur's and Roy's stats.
Roy's stats:
1985-86 Montreal Canadiens NHL 47 0 3 4 2651 148 0 1 3.35 23 18 3 1037 0.875
1986-87 Montreal Canadiens NHL 46 0 1 8 2686 131 6 1 2.93 22 16 6 1073 0.891
1987-88 Montreal Canadiens NHL 45 0 2 14 2586 125 0 3 2.90 23 12 9 1123 0.900
1988-89 Montreal Canadiens NHL 48 0 6 2 2744 113 2 4 2.47 33 5 6 1113 0.908
1989-90 Montreal Canadiens NHL 54 0 5 0 3173 134 2 3 2.53 31 16 5 1390 0.912
1990-91 Montreal Canadiens NHL 48 0 2 6 2835 128 3 1 2.71 25 15 6 1234 0.906
1991-92 Montreal Canadiens NHL 67 0 5 4 3935 155 7 5 2.36 36 22 8 1651 0.914
1992-93 Montreal Canadiens NHL 62 0 2 16 3595 192 5 2 3.20 31 25 5 1622 0.894
1993-94 Montreal Canadiens NHL 68 0 1 30 3867 161 4 7 2.50 35 17 11 1795 0.918
1994-95 Montreal Canadiens NHL 43 0 1 20 2566 127 3 1 2.97 17 20 6 1230 0.906
1995-96 Montreal Canadiens NHL 22 0 0 6 1260 62 0 1 2.95 12 9 1 605 0.907
1995-96 Colorado Avalanche NHL 39 0 0 4 2305 103 3 1 2.68 22 15 1 1027 0.909
1996-97 Colorado Avalanche NHL 62 0 1 15 3698 143 3 7 2.32 38 15 7 1718 0.923
1997-98 Colorado Avalanche NHL 65 0 3 39 3835 153 5 4 2.39 31 19 13 1825 0.916
1998-99 Colorado Avalanche NHL 61 0 2 28 3648 139 4 5 2.29 32 19 8 1534 0.917
1999-00 Colorado Avalanche NHL 63 0 3 10 3704 141 5 2 2.28 32 21 8 1640 0.914
2000-01 Colorado Avalanche NHL 62 0 5 10 3585 132 5 4 2.21 40 13 7 1513 0.913
2001-02 Colorado Avalanche NHL 63 0 3 26 3773 122 6 9 1.94 32 23 8 1629 0.925
2002-03 Colorado Avalanche NHL 63 0 0 20 3769 137 3 5 2.18 35 15 13 1586 0.920
Playoffs Roy:
Playoffs
SEASON GP MIN W L GA SO GAA SA Sv% G A PIM
2002-03 7 423 3 4 16 1 2,27 177 .910 0 0 0
2001-02 21 1241 11 10 52 3 2,51 572 .909 0 2 0
2000-01 23 1451 16 7 41 4 1,70 581 .934 0 1 0
1999-00 17 1039 11 6 31 3 1,79 431 .928 0 1 4
1998-99 19 1173 11 8 52 1 2,66 650 .920 0 2 4
1997-98 7 430 3 4 18 0 2,51 191 .906 0 1 0
1996-97 17 1034 10 7 38 3 2,21 559 .932 0 0 12
1995-96 22 1454 16 6 51 3 2,10 649 .921 0 0 0
1993-94 6 375 3 3 16 0 2,56 228 .930 0 0 0
1992-93 20 1293 16 4 46 0 2,13 647 .929 0 1 4
1991-92 11 686 4 7 30 1 2,62 312 .904 0 0 2
1990-91 13 785 7 5 40 0 3,06 394 .898 0 0 2
1989-90 11 641 5 6 26 1 2,43 292 .911 0 1 0
1988-89 19 1206 13 6 42 2 2,09 528 .920 0 2 16
1987-88 8 430 3 4 24 0 3,35 218 .890 0 0 0
1986-87 6 330 4 2 22 0 4,00 173 .873 0 0 0
1985-86 20 1218 15 5 39 1 1,92 506 .923 0 0 10
Brodeur's stats:
1993-1994 Devils 47 2,625 27 11 8 - 105 1,238 3 2.40 .915
1994-1995 Devils 40 2,184 19 11 6 - 89 908 3 2.44 .902
1995-1996 Devils 77 4,433 34 30 12 - 173 1,954 6 2.34 .911
1995-1996 Canada WC-A 3 180 0 1 1 - 9 0 3.00
1996-1997 Devils 67 3,838 37 14 13 - 120 1,633 10 1.88 .927
1996-1997 Canada W-Cup 2 60 0 1 0 - 4 0 4.00
1997-1998 Devils 70 4,128 43 17 8 - 130 1,569 10 1.89 .917
1997-1998 Canada Olympics 0 -
1998-1999 Devils 70 4,238 39 21 10 - 162 1,728 4 2.29 .906
1999-2000 Devils 72 4,311 43 20 8 - 161 1,797 6 2.24 .910
2000-2001 Devils 72 4,296 42 17 11 - 166 1,762 9 2.32 .906
2001-2002 Devils 73 4,346 38 26 9 - 156 1,655 4 2.15 .906
2001-2002 Canada Olympics 5 300 4 0 1 - 9 0 1.80
2002-2003 Devils 73 4,374 41 23 9 - 147 1,706 9 2.02 .914
2003-2004 Devils 75 4,554 38 26 11 - 154 1,845 11 2.03 .917
2004-2005 Canada W-Cup 5 300 5 0 0 - 5 129 1 1.00
2004-2005 Canada WC-A 7 419 5 2 0 - 20 218 0 2.87
2005-2006 Devils 73 4,364 43 23 - 7 187 2,105 5 2.57 .911
2005-2006 Canada Olympics 4 239 2 2 - 8 0 2.01
2006-2007 Devils 78 4,696 48 23 - 7 171 2,182 12 2.18 .922
2007-2008 Devils 77 4,635 44 27 - 6 168 2,089 4 2.17 .920
Playoffs Brodeur:
1993-1994 Devils 17 1,170 8 9 38 531 1 1.95 .928
1994-1995 Devils 20 1,221 16 4 34 463 3 1.67 .927
1996-1997 Devils 10 658 5 5 19 268 2 1.73 .929
1997-1998 Devils 6 366 2 4 12 164 0 1.97 .927
1998-1999 Devils 7 424 3 4 20 139 0 2.83 .856
1999-2000 Devils 23 1,450 16 7 39 537 2 1.61 .927
2000-2001 Devils 25 1,504 15 10 52 507 4 2.07 .897
2001-2002 Devils 6 381 2 4 9 145 1 1.42 .938
2002-2003 Devils 24 1,490 16 8 41 622 7 1.65 .934
2003-2004 Devils 5 297 1 4 13 133 0 2.62 .902
2005-2006 Devils 9 532 5 4 20 261 1 2.25 .923
2006-2007 Devils 11 688 5 6 28 332 1 2.44 .916
2007-2008 Devils 5 300 1 4 16 147 0 3.19 .891
Different years, eras affect goalie stats. What I mean is you can't historical stats from different years especially because in later years, the trap system became a lot more developed which inflated goalies's stats. This year about 35 or 40 goalies in the NHL have a .900 save percentage or higher and under a 3.00 GAA. In the past those kind of numbers were unheard of.
In my opinion one of the best indicators of goaltending performance is save percentage and playoff history. The other stats I feel are more team stats. from 1993- 2003 Brodeur only had a better save percentage than Roy in 1995-1996 and 1996-1997 and 1997 - 1998. Brodeur only had a save percentage that was marginally better than Roy in those 3 seasons as well. In quite a few of those other seasons, Roy had a lot higher save percentage than Brodeur.
As for playoff stats. Brodeur only had a better save percentage than Roy in 2001-2002 and 2002-2003 seasons. All the other seasons when both of them participated in the playoffs, Roy had higher numbers and some of those seasons Roy had a much, much higher save percentage.
The save percentage, four Stanley Cups, and four Conn Smyths is why I would rank Roy higher than Brodeur. Another reason is because I feel that Brodeur benefited from a trap system while Roy played for teams with a more open style of play.
Hasek had higher save percentages but did not have the playoff success that Roy and Brodeur have had. I know some will argue that he played on weaker teams so he had less chances to win the cup. That is true, however, I personally feel that in order to be considered the best of this generation, you need the Stanley cups rings + the save percentage stats. I personally place Stanley Cup rings/ Conn Smyths at a higher weight value than statistics. Roy had higher save percentages than Brodeur and more Stanley Cups/ Conn Smyths.
Brodeur has more Stanley cup rings/ Conn Smyths but a lower save percentage than Hasek
All 3 are great goalies but my final ranking would be 1) Roy 2) Brodeur 3) Hasek.
seventieslord
Student Of The Game
I just watched the 1986 SCF on NHL Network's classic series. Roy'd pads were tiny and he won the cup and the smythe... as a 20-year old.... with unreal numbers for 1986. All goaltending equipment got larger into the 1990's... including his... and he was still the best.
I think what we came up with on the HOH top-10 list says it well...
Roy/Hasek - flip a coin.
Brodeur, clearly a step below.
If I had a chance to do this over again I would push for Dryden to get ahead of Brodeur because everything I have seen as well as the numbers I've crunched indicate Dryden is better than Brodeur... and Hall and Sawchuk for that matter.
seventieslord
Student Of The Game
Well-spoken!
It's worth noting as well, that Hasek hasn't been the world-beater he was in his prime, for at least 7 years now. 7 years ago he was 36, like Brodeur is now. His career sv% at that time was .925, a number Brodeur only beat once and never matched.
It sure says something that Brodeur topped out at .927 and Hasek still beat him that season.
seventieslord
Student Of The Game
You started off well, but imploded at the end. Sorry, there's just no way Brodeur was better than either of them.
Did you know when Brodeur won the cup with the Devils in 2000, his sv% was lower than the league average? And I still hear he got jobbed out of the Smythe...
And in 2001, he faced an obscenely low 20.2 shots per game and posted an .897 sv%, lowest among all goalies with 7+ games. Talk about a classic case of a team carrying a goalie to the cup!
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FissionFire
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Again with the Stanley Cup argument. How many goalies have won a Cup without a team playing well around them? ZERO. Stanley Cups are won by a team, not by a goalie. A goalie can lose you one, but they can't win one alone. If they could, why's it been so friggin long since the Vezina winner won the Cup in the same season?
Conn Smythe's are a better indication, but they aren't perfect either. Neither Roy nor Brodeur ever matched the level of play Hasek displayed in taking an injury-depleted below-average Sabres team to Game 6 in the Finals, yet he doesn't have a Smythe. To an extent the Conn Smythe is also a team award to a lesser extent since you have to be on a team which can make it to the finals to win it. Hasek was never on a team that was anything but a longshot to make it that far until leaving Buffalo (at which point he was past his prime). He certainly proved his mettle on his first great team, outdeuling Roy in posting back-to-back shutouts in Game 6 and 7 to bring the Wings back from the brink. And then there was the Olympics. If a goalie can be given all that credit, they also should deserve the blame when they flame out while on a heavily favored team, and Roy's been on more teams that didn't meet expectations than Hasek's been for sure.
Roy broke into the league as a starter playing with Robinson, Gainey, Chelios - all top 100 or borderline top 100 players. He also had Lemieux and Carbonneau.
Brodeur broke into the league as a starter playing with Fetisov, Stevens, and Niedermayer - again all top 100 or borderline top 100 players. He also had Lemieux and Daneyko.
Hasek broke into the league as a starter playing with Hawerchuk and LaFontaine - bordertime top 100 guys not known as defensive players. He also had, um, Phillipe Boucher? Donald Audette? Matthew Barnaby? Yep, definitely a cast of characters who scream Cup contender from the get-go.
When Roy went to the finals, his teams looked like this:
1986: Mats Naslund, Claude Lemieux, Bobby Smith, Larry Robinson, Guy Carbonneau, Chris Chelios, Stephane Richer, Shayne Corson
1989: Larry Robinson, Chris Chelios, Eric Desjardins, Claude Lemiuex, Mats Naslund, Bob Gainey, Stephane Richer, Shayne Corson, Guy Carbonneau, Bobby Smith
1993: Vincent Damphousse, Kirk Muller, Eric Desjardins, Mathieu Schneider, John LeClair, Guy Carbonneau
1996: Joe Sakic, Peter Forsberg, Valeri Kamensky, Adam Deadmarsh, Sandis Ozolinsh, Claude Lemieux
2001: Joe Sakic, Peter Forsberg, Ray Bourque, Rob Blake, Adam Foote, Milan Hejduk, Chris Drury, Alex Tanguay
When Brodeur went to the finals, his teams looked like this (see if you notice a pattern):
1995: Scott Stevens, Scott Niedermayer, Ken Daneyko, Bobby Holik, John MacLean, Claude Lemiuex, Bill Guerin, Neal Broten, Brian Rolston, Stephane Richer
2000: Scott Stevens, Scott Niedermayer, Bobby Holik, Patrik Elias, Petr Sykora, Jason Arnott, Claude Lemieux, Scott Gomez, Brian Rafalski, Ken Daneyko, Alexander Mogilny
2001: Scott Stevens, Scott Niedermayer, Brian Rafalski, Ken Daneyko, Patrik Elias, Petr Sykora, Alexander Mogilny, Scott Gomez, Jason Arnott, Bobby Holik
2003: Scott Stevens, Scott Niedermayer, Brian Rafalski, Scott Gomez, Patrik Elias, Joe Nieuwendyk, Jamie Langenbrunner
When Hasek went to the finals, his teams looked like this:
1999: Alexei Zhitnik, Jason Woolley, Stu Barnes, Joe Juneau, Brian Holzinger, Vaclav Varada, Richard Smehlik, Dixon Ward, Erik Rasmussen, Geoff Sanderson
2002: Steve Yzerman, Sergei Fedorov, Nicklas Lidstrom, Brendan Shanahan, Chris Chelios, Brett Hull, Igor Larionov, Luc Robitaille, Steve Duchesne, Pavel Datsyuk
So tell me, out of those 11 teams, which one really doesn't look anything like a squad that should play for the Cup ever? You can't blame Hasek for being stuck on a team where ownership refused to even attempt to ice a championship caliber squad. Hasek essentially took a lottery team to Game 6 of the Finals. Neither Roy nor Bordeur can even claim that any of those Cup teams would have even missed the playoffs with just a league-average goalie in their place.
Dennis Bonvie
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One aspect of this discussion that cannot be seen in the numbers is the quality of shots faced. In the Devils heyday, Brodeur had many rocking chair nights. Not only did Brodeur face less shots, but the shots he did face were often less difficult than Hasek & Roy were facing. Very similar to Dryden during the Canadien's dynasty. In a Game 6 playoff meeting against Toronto one year, Brodeur had a 6 save shutout. That 's right, faced 6 shots in a playoff game. I believe this is one of the reasons Brodeur has been able to play so many more games per year than other goalies.
Roy for carrying 2 mediocre Habs teams and 2 decent Avs teams to the Cup, while winning 3 Conn Smythes. He simply got it done.
Also revolutionized the goalie position by inspiring many to excell at it after a decade of poor goaltending and offensive hockey.
Also revolutionized the goalie position by inspiring many to excell at it after a decade of poor goaltending and offensive hockey.
