BizZombie
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That statement formed the basis for my suggestion of replacing Mark Stuart with Ron Hainsey for an instant upgrade; with a bonus draft pick thrown in to sweeten the occasion.
Speculation: Has Ron Hainsey’s NHLPA lockout ‘bad cop’ role blackballed him in free agency?
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That statement formed the basis for my suggestion of replacing Mark Stuart with Ron Hainsey for an instant upgrade; with a bonus draft pick thrown in to sweeten the occasion.
Duke749
Savannah Ghost Pirates
truck
Registered User
It would be win win for the Jets if they could swing it.
I don't see it happening though.
I suspect Chevy is leaving room for the likes of Trouba, Posty and Red kick down the door.
Hopefully someone can.
I would LOVE this.
I really liked Hainsey on the team. I like him as a #4 guy. There are 3 reasons people don't like him: His lockout work, is previous contract, and the fact that he was thrust into top 2 roles too much due to injury.
I don't think any of that is germaine to having him back here on a reasonable contract/ term. He is a HELL of an upgrade over anyone not named Enstrom, Bogosian or Byfuglien. The jury is out on Trouba, because he has not played an NHL game yet.
BizZombie
Registered User
Leaving the door open for Jacob Trouba, Paul Postma, and Zach Redmond is a good idea, that could pay real dividends as they improve and claim additional ice time and responsibilities. I definitely support that way of thinking.
The problem is that in the meantime, it still leaves Mark Stuart on the team, in place of Ron Hainsey. That is the short term tradeoff. While Stuart does play third pairing, the left side would be stronger with Enstrom-Hainsey-Clitsome than with Enstrom-Clitsome-Stuart.
Here's hoping that one of the younger players makes Mark Stuart the very definition of redundancy, and he gets moved for a draft pick to open his roster spot.
King Woodballs
Captain Awesome
I never said nor did I ever imply that Stuart was a better option.
Hainsey is a 5/6 on any respectable playoff team. He is no where near a #4.
King Woodballs
Captain Awesome
Quality post! Definitely agree with you.
Yeah, because I care what you or anyone else thinks
Lynk
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I was thinking something along these lines. Going by the initial premise of trading Stuart for a pick/prospect to free up $ 1.7 m to add to the $2.3 of current space to sign Hainsey doesn't quite sit well. If we were sitting on $4 M cap space I can think of a few other players still out there that I would pursue before Hainsey.
Zhamnov5GoalGame
Former Director of GDT Operations
I'm pretty sure if the Jets offered him a couple of years at around 3mil per he would have taken it. But the Jets had better depth at D and needed to make room for younger players. I never got the feeling that Ron didn't like playing here from his tone in the interviews.
For all the Hainsey hate I can tell you if one of those "post shots" ever went in for him the arena would have exploded (a little extra)!
I loved all the shots he blocked but hated when he got burned going down early and playing second goalie. These usually resulted in passes through his legs for back door tap ins.
Hainsey will be missed by some... hopefully our other players will make us forget about him. And the haters can cheer that he is gone.
atl thrasher344
Believe in Blueland
You specifically stated that you wouldn't want to trade Stuart for basically Hainsey AND a pick. Why wouldn't you want to do that unless you viewed Stuart as a better option?
truck
Registered User
You said you were against swapping Stu for Ron while adding a draft pick.
This implies that:
A) Stu > Ron
Duke749
Savannah Ghost Pirates
garret9
AKA#VitoCorrelationi
The problem with saying someone is a __ spot on a quality playoff team (ignoring the fact that EVERY team in the league doesn't have picture perfect depth), you are essentially saying they aren't elite for that spot.
Playoff team is top 50% of league.
Above average playoff team is top 25% of the league.
Saying someone isn't top 25% of their respective placement doesn't demote them as a lesser player. That would need to be at least the lower 25% of their respective placement, where you can debate that they are a tweener.
Results-wise Hainsey is essentially a very average #4. The results don't change regardless on how much I know or don't know about hockey.
SDI is looking at how much a player reduces goals and scoring chances relative to what you would expect for their usage. In this stat when looking at 6 year period or 2 or 1. Hainsey revolves around in the 3rd best block when dividing it into 6 chunks (ie: defensively he's performed as a #3).
Points-wise he's performed around a #5.
Someone may be wiser at hockey then I but when a guy for last 6 and last 2 and last season performs as a #4, I'm inclined to consider him a #4.
Playoff team is top 50% of league.
Above average playoff team is top 25% of the league.
Saying someone isn't top 25% of their respective placement doesn't demote them as a lesser player. That would need to be at least the lower 25% of their respective placement, where you can debate that they are a tweener.
Results-wise Hainsey is essentially a very average #4. The results don't change regardless on how much I know or don't know about hockey.
SDI is looking at how much a player reduces goals and scoring chances relative to what you would expect for their usage. In this stat when looking at 6 year period or 2 or 1. Hainsey revolves around in the 3rd best block when dividing it into 6 chunks (ie: defensively he's performed as a #3).
Points-wise he's performed around a #5.
Someone may be wiser at hockey then I but when a guy for last 6 and last 2 and last season performs as a #4, I'm inclined to consider him a #4.
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King Woodballs
Captain Awesome
sully1410
#EggosForEleven
Like you have no idea what you are talking about tbh.
You mentioned that you knew hockey minds that agreed with your pov. May I ask who? I have never once heard anybody say that Ron Hainsey was bad at his job. Overpaid, yes...but you are seriously implying that you would sooner have Clitsome in that 4 spot when Hainsey is the clear upgrade.
He's not offensive dynamo or a physical threat, but that doesnt make him a bad defenseman.
Even great hockey minds can be wrong, but the numbers never lie and that's not really putting a spin on it either.
Ron Hainsey was paid to play hockey, that does not include:
-Fighting
-Conducting entertaining interviews
-Supporting the community
-Defending the reputation of Winnipeg
Let's judge him based on things that actually matter. Also, if not defending Winnipeg is an indictment of character I am officially the worlds largest *******.
Well I just so happen to know EVEN GREATER hockey minds. And then if you know greater hockey minds than that amount of "even"'s then I meant EVEN EVEN GREATER hockey minds. Isn't this game fun?
BizZombie
Registered User
I know an even greater, greater hockey mind that can out think your even greater hockey mind person. So there. Hmmph.
This is better than a school yard "debate" of the pugilistic prowess of big brothers, dads, and other Cronin the Barbarian clones.
Dobbie71064
Go Thrashers!
sully1410
#EggosForEleven
Baseless statement nothing more. You make a broad accusation with absolutely nothing to back it up. You don't like Hainsey, thats cool, no problem...however if your going to make a statement like the guy had no talent...despite the fact that he was statistically effective at the job he was given, not to mention moving up and down the lineup...
then you had better bring some evidence to back that up.
Stuart could leave the Jets lineup and no one would even notice. 5/6 D are a dime a hundred dozen.
Stuart can not play top four minutes. His effectiveness drops way off after 20 minutes.
If any of the top three D get injured the Jets will have problems.
Last year they had Clitsome to fill into the top four spot and until very late in the season people were naming him Clitlless for a reason. Suddenly he has become a top 4 D man in people's eyes and the team doesn't even have another player that can easily move into #4 with a injury.
Anyone saying Hainsey not re-signing is a good thing is delusional.
sully1410
#EggosForEleven
The only way that this would have been a good thing is the acquired an upgrade.
garret9
AKA#VitoCorrelationi
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