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The thread about Yzerman's 1989 season and Jagr's 1999 season and the whole subject of era-adjustment got me thinking: who would have won the Hart all the years Gretzky and Lemieux won it if they weren't around?
I'm not necessarily saying all those years are Hart worthy or we should judge players this way. I just think it's interesting considering how much they won them. Here's the Art Ross winners without them.
1981: Marcel Dionne
1982: Mike Bossy
1983: Peter Stastny
1984: Michel Goulet (Paul Coffey)
1985: Dale Hawerchuk (Jari Kurri)
1986: Mike Bossy (Paul Coffey, Jari Kurri)
1987: Doug Gilmore (Mark Messier, Jari Kurri)
1988: Denis Savard
1989: Steve Yzerman
1990: Mark Messier
1991: Brett Hull
1992: Brett Hull (Kevin Stevens)
1993: Pat LaFontaine
1994: Sergei Fedorov
Brett Hull was 16 points ahead of his linemate Adam Oates. Michel Goulet was on Stastny's Nordiques, Goulet being only two points ahead of Stastny that year.
Does history look differently at these players if they got those awards? Does Yzerman win the Sakic/Yzerman debates with a Hart and Art Ross? Are Gilmore and Oates in the Hall already? Does Roy get a Hart and get more respect compared to Hasek in all-time debates? Does Ray Bourque get one?
Did the Hart voting system go by five yet back then? Do we have the votes from back then so we can list who was next in votes those years?
I'm not necessarily saying all those years are Hart worthy or we should judge players this way. I just think it's interesting considering how much they won them. Here's the Art Ross winners without them.
1981: Marcel Dionne
1982: Mike Bossy
1983: Peter Stastny
1984: Michel Goulet (Paul Coffey)
1985: Dale Hawerchuk (Jari Kurri)
1986: Mike Bossy (Paul Coffey, Jari Kurri)
1987: Doug Gilmore (Mark Messier, Jari Kurri)
1988: Denis Savard
1989: Steve Yzerman
1990: Mark Messier
1991: Brett Hull
1992: Brett Hull (Kevin Stevens)
1993: Pat LaFontaine
1994: Sergei Fedorov
Brett Hull was 16 points ahead of his linemate Adam Oates. Michel Goulet was on Stastny's Nordiques, Goulet being only two points ahead of Stastny that year.
Does history look differently at these players if they got those awards? Does Yzerman win the Sakic/Yzerman debates with a Hart and Art Ross? Are Gilmore and Oates in the Hall already? Does Roy get a Hart and get more respect compared to Hasek in all-time debates? Does Ray Bourque get one?
Did the Hart voting system go by five yet back then? Do we have the votes from back then so we can list who was next in votes those years?
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