OT: Happy National Paper Airplane Day!

Jim Bob · Jan 26, 2016

C'MON MAN!

Mods - Feel free to kill this thread if Silverfish ever starts a new OT thread.

BGriff - What works for us is a reward system. My kids can't have friends sleep over at their mom's house because it's a mess and she is too embarrassed to have people over.

So, if they want a friend to sleep over at our house, their room better be really clean.

That works for us.

Clock · Jan 26, 2016

That last Bowie album is so GD good. I think easily one of his best.

brian_griffin · Jan 26, 2016

vcv said:
Extreme? Those parents are either wrong or are lucky (to have kids that don't need to be forced to do some things)

Our job as parents is to teach and teach until they learn. Students don't learn by having the teacher just handing out a textbook and telling them to learn.

Everything, even every day mundane things, can be a life lesson no matter how small. Everything is practice for something.

I am frequently admonished by my wife for trying to make everything a teaching moment. OTOH, I am similarly chastised for asking the kids to help me do something, instead of just telling them they need to help me, and that they don't have a choice.

So, still learning myself...

jimbob said:
BGriff - What works for us is a reward system. My kids can't have friends sleep over at their mom's house because it's a mess and she is too embarrassed to have people over.

So, if they want a friend to sleep over at our house, their room better be really clean.

That works for us.

Yeah, daughter knew she couldn't have friends over this weekend (between semesters, perfect time to do it), because she hadn't cleaned her room, sorted and purged, sufficiently. It caused her angst, but she recognized it was self-inflicted and if she had managed her time earlier in the week, she could have gotten it done.

It's great that my wife and I have similar backgrounds in that our personal responsibility / self-sufficiency was established in early teenage years, and we were both raised in an "everyone must contribute to the household" upbringing. We're just trying to pass it on to the kids.

Jim Bob · Jan 26, 2016

brian_griffin said:
Yeah, daughter knew she couldn't have friends over this weekend (between semesters, perfect time to do it), because she hadn't cleaned her room, sorted and purged, sufficiently. It caused her angst, but she recognized it was self-inflicted and if she had managed her time earlier in the week, she could have gotten it done.

It's great that my wife and I have similar backgrounds in that our personal responsibility / self-sufficiency was established in early teenage years, and we were both raised in an "everyone must contribute to the household" upbringing. We're just trying to pass it on to the kids.

Being on the same page as your wife is more than half the battle.

oldgoalie · Jan 26, 2016

Clock said:
That last Bowie album is so GD good. I think easily one of his best.

I need to stop and listen; haven't had a chance yet...

I saw this today. If you're a Bowie fan, another awesome tribute.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat...y_choir_of_hundreds_in_beautiful_tribute.html

Afino · Jan 26, 2016

My son wanted to watch Inside Out last night and proceeded to bawl his eyes out for the last half hour and then a half hour after because he missed his mom so much. So that was cool. Poor kid.

silverfish · Jan 26, 2016

I didn't want to start the new thread because I don't come around here often enough to change the title

So, Geek Squad wanted $100 to run diagnostics on my computer, then another $150 to crack it open and fix it. The lady said they could skip the diagnostics and just crack it open for $150, but what the hell are they going to fix if they don't know what they are looking for?

Needless to say, I passed. I have e-mailed Asus customer service. Let's see what happens.

Jim Bob · Jan 27, 2016

silverfish said:
I didn't want to start the new thread because I don't come around here often enough to change the title

Then stay away from the OT thread when it's post 990+!

:teach2:

silverfish · Jan 27, 2016

WhoIsJimBob said:
Then stay away from the OT thread when it's post 990+!

Learn by doing!

TehDoak · Jan 27, 2016

silverfish said:
I didn't want to start the new thread because I don't come around here often enough to change the title

So, Geek Squad wanted $100 to run diagnostics on my computer, then another $150 to crack it open and fix it. The lady said they could skip the diagnostics and just crack it open for $150, but what the hell are they going to fix if they don't know what they are looking for?

Needless to say, I passed. I have e-mailed Asus customer service. Let's see what happens.

Oh god. Never take your PC to best buy for service.

Nibbler · Jan 27, 2016

silverfish said:
I didn't want to start the new thread because I don't come around here often enough to change the title

So, Geek Squad wanted $100 to run diagnostics on my computer, then another $150 to crack it open and fix it. The lady said they could skip the diagnostics and just crack it open for $150, but what the hell are they going to fix if they don't know what they are looking for?

Needless to say, I passed. I have e-mailed Asus customer service. Let's see what happens.

Geek squad is a rip off.

silverfish · Jan 27, 2016

TehDoak said:
Oh god. Never take your PC to best buy for service.

Nibbler said:
Geek squad is a rip off.

Learn by doing part II!

Jim Bob · Jan 27, 2016

http://www.fastcompany.com/3055656/...n=6&partner=newsletter&campaign_date=01272016

I love these lists every year.

Woodhouse · Jan 27, 2016

WhoIsJimBob said:
http://www.fastcompany.com/3055656/...n=6&partner=newsletter&campaign_date=01272016

I love these lists every year.

Obligatory xkcd response:

kirby11 · Jan 27, 2016

Getting to work on writing my own code for a blog on the Bills, Browns, and trying to discover why exactly fans of bad teams can't quit promoting their own suffering by cheering them on. If anyone has any advice, I'd love to hear it! Although I already have developed a pretty strong urge to resist harming my laptop when my code doesn't work like I think it should, so that's a nice starting point :laugh:

EDIT: and I've got a GitHub account up and running

brian_griffin · Jan 27, 2016

kirby11 said:
Getting to work on writing my own code for a blog on the Bills, Browns, and trying to discover why exactly fans of bad teams can't quit promoting their own suffering by cheering them on. If anyone has any advice, I'd love to hear it! Although I already have developed a pretty strong urge to resist harming my laptop when my code doesn't work like I think it should, so that's a nice starting point

EDIT: and I've got a GitHub account up and running

Advice for both a Bills and Browns fan?

"I used to be a heroin addict. Now I'm a methadone addict." - from Annie Hall

Jim Bob · Jan 27, 2016

brian_griffin said:
Advice for both a Bills and Browns fan?

"I used to be a heroin addict. Now I'm a methadone addict." - from Annie Hall

Throw the Lions in there for the MMQB Corridor of Woe trifecta.

Gras · Jan 27, 2016

Woodhouse said:
Obligatory xkcd response:

One of the misconceptions about passwords, you don't need it to be super duper strong, you just need to reset it at an interval that it would not be broken in that time frame.

TehDoak · Jan 27, 2016

Gras said:
One of the misconceptions about passwords, you don't need it to be super duper strong, you just need to reset it at an interval that it would not be broken in that time frame.

Typically passwords aren't brute forced, but captured via keylogging/social engineering/company data breaches. I definitely am a proponent of strong passwords, but using a different password for different services and changing them on a regular basis is MUCH more important than have a super secure password.

Also for the love of god, never log into anything when you have porn from some streaming site open. Nearly guaranteed to get that password stolen. :laugh:

vcv · Jan 27, 2016

TehDoak said:
Typically passwords aren't brute forced, but captured via keylogging/social engineering/company data breaches. I definitely am a proponent of strong passwords, but using a different password for different services and changing them on a regular basis is MUCH more important than have a super secure password.

Also for the love of god, never log into anything when you have porn from some streaming site open. Nearly guaranteed to get that password stolen.

Company data breaches is the most relevant one in regards to the xkcd strip.

As long as the company uses a sufficiently decent hashing algorithm (NO MD5 FFS), you think passwords like those that xkcd recommends will be cracked? If they are also using a salt, not likely. You're not going to find those passwords in a rainbow table.

It's 2016 and yet most companies still have bad password policies. At least 8 characters, 1 capital letter, 1 number and sometimes 1 symbol. Ok, Password1$. Password0. Passw0rd. Pa$$w0rd.

But really, none of this should matter. 2-factor authentication should be a standard.

Recap:
1. Companies should use a good hashing algorithm (PBKDF2 or bcrypt or scrypt [though scrypt is still newish, thus less proven])
2. Companies should use a random salt.
3. Companies should define better password policies, not ones that can be easily tricked or allow passwords that can still be cracked with a standard rainbow table.
4. Most importantly, companies should implement and force use of 2-factor authentication.

Jim Bob · Jan 27, 2016

vcv said:
Company data breaches is the most relevant one in regards to the xkcd strip.

As long as the company uses a sufficiently decent hashing algorithm (NO MD5 FFS), you think passwords like those that xkcd recommends will be cracked? If they are also using a salt, not likely. You're not going to find those passwords in a rainbow table.

It's 2016 and yet most companies still have bad password policies. At least 8 characters, 1 capital letter, 1 number and sometimes 1 symbol. Ok, Password1$. Password0. Passw0rd. Pa$$w0rd.

But really, none of this should matter. 2-factor authentication should be a standard.

Let's just get to the point that you need a DNA sample to log into your work laptop...

:laugh:

vcv · Jan 27, 2016

WhoIsJimBob said:
Let's just get to the point that you need a DNA sample to log into your work laptop...

Still not as good as 2-factor auth.

Clock · Jan 27, 2016

I wonder what the next "Password" is going to be. It just seems like an area begging to be innovated.

NotABadPeriod · Jan 27, 2016

WhoIsJimBob said:
http://www.fastcompany.com/3055656/...n=6&partner=newsletter&campaign_date=01272016

I love these lists every year.

12345? That's amazing, I have the same combination on my luggage!

Gras · Jan 27, 2016

Clock said:
I wonder what the next "Password" is going to be. It just seems like an area begging to be innovated.

Biometric becoming more common with fingerprint scanners but they aren't reliable enough yet either with their ability to be fooled or not reading your print reliably.

RSA type tokens should become common and used, so long as there is no longer a NSA backdoor built in. :sarcasm:

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