NFL: Hall of Fame 2022

[BigBadBruins7708]

Sorry, I dont get the hand wringing over Wayne and Holt. They combined for only 2 1st team AP and 5 total AP nods and neither had the statistical dominance that cant be ignored

 

[Voight]

These voters are f***ing idiots.

P Willy should have been a 1st ballot hofer, but he’s gotta wait even longer since he didn’t play rb or something.

Zach Thomas had to wait a decade (4 years as finalist) so Willis not getting the call isn't some catastrophe.

So happy that Zach finally made it in.

IMO they should have had him go in with Jason Taylor a couple years ago but it is what it is.

Sorry, I dont get the hand wringing over Wayne and Holt. They combined for only 2 1st team AP and 5 total AP nods and neither had the statistical dominance that cant be ignored

I am more partial to Holt. R Wayne was essentially carried by a top 5 QB his entire career (then lucked into his team drafting yet another elite QB), sure there were the GSOT years for Holt but that was over real quick; he still produced when Warner came back down to earth and even when Marc Bulger became starter.

 

[PanthersPens62]

Zach Thomas had to wait a decade (4 years as finalist) so Willis not getting the call isn't some catastrophe.



IMO they should have had him go in with Jason Taylor a couple years ago but it is what it is.



I am more partial to Holt. R Wayne was essentially carried by a top 5 QB his entire career (then lucked into his team drafting yet another elite QB), sure there were the GSOT years for Holt but that was over real quick; he still produced when Warner came back down to earth and even when Marc Bulger became starter.

In a way it's better that they did not go in together because they are no longer on good terms since Jason divorced his wife, who of course is Zach's sister, and the divorce was quite messy & pretty much Jason's doing.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Sorry, I dont get the hand wringing over Wayne and Holt. They combined for only 2 1st team AP and 5 total AP nods and neither had the statistical dominance that cant be ignored

They're definitely a notch below their teammates Harrison and Bruce, at least statistically. I think they should both get in but Andre Johnson and Steve Smith deserve it just as much as them especially when you consider who their QB's were. Hines Ward and even Anquan Boldin are comparable too. I don't think it's crazy that none are in yet though. Guy's like Willis, Freeney, Allen, and everyone who was elected this year are just as or more deserving.

 

[Voight]

In a way it's better that they did not go in together because they are no longer on good terms since Jason divorced his wife, who of course is Zach's sister, and the divorce was quite messy & pretty much Jason's doing.

That sucks. When the Fins were bad in the post Marino years, those two at least got them some noise.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

NFL gets most things wrong, but they nail this

 

[DaaaaB's]

NFL gets most things wrong, but they nail this

That's great stuff.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Zach Thomas had to wait a decade (4 years as finalist) so Willis not getting the call isn't some catastrophe.



IMO they should have had him go in with Jason Taylor a couple years ago but it is what it is.



I am more partial to Holt. R Wayne was essentially carried by a top 5 QB his entire career (then lucked into his team drafting yet another elite QB), sure there were the GSOT years for Holt but that was over real quick; he still produced when Warner came back down to earth and even when Marc Bulger became starter.

Willis was much better than Zach Thomas, and it’s not even a debate.

 

[Voight]

Willis was much better than Zach Thomas, and it’s not even a debate.

Its entirely debatable.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Willis was much better than Zach Thomas, and it’s not even a debate.

One of the biggest homer comments I've ever seen.

 

[GKJ]

Zach Thomas needed to get in as it was long overdue, he’s been retired for 14 years.

Willis was better though, the numbers support it and by a fairly safe margin.

 

[EpochLink]

One of the biggest homer comments I've ever seen.

Another Raiders linemen who needs some serious induction - Steve Wisniewski.
Not sure what's keeping him out to be honest - 8 time pro bowler, 2 time first team all pro, all decade 1990's.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

One of the biggest homer comments I've ever seen.

Guess you didn’t watch them both play or look at the stats.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Guess you didn’t watch them both play or look at the stats.

I'm not saying Willis wasn't better but it's closer than you think especially considering how short Willis' career was.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

I'm not saying Willis wasn't better but it's closer than you think especially considering how short Willis' career was.

There are few linebackers that reached Willis’ level and sustained it for as long as he did. It’s especially impressive that he did it from day 1.

It just seems like Willis is being punished for not playing 2-3 more injury-plagued years once he found out his foot condition was chronic. Zach Thomas is a hofer and should have gotten in much sooner, but he wasn’t quite on P-Willy’s level.