Proposal: Hagg for Colin Miller?

[briererocks]

Vegas has cap issues. How about Hagg for Colin Miler who they benched at time during the playoffs. C. Miller has really good advanced stats, is RHD and is signed for 3 more years at 3.9m.

Provorov - Myers
Sanheim - Gudas
Ghost - C. Miller
Morin

That looks to me like a really good d corps and young. Also, we don't have to hear about how many hits Hagg has.

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[FLYguy3911]

Easily. I'm sure Vegas can do better.

 

[briererocks]

Easily. I'm sure Vegas can do better.

Skinner was traded for Cliff Pu and R. Oreily was traded for spare parts and a 1st. I don't think it's far off.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Hagg was quite literally the worst defenseman in the league last year. I'm sure some team can be suckered into trading for him, but as I said Vegas can do better. It's not difficult.

 

[baudib1]

Vegas isn't going to trade Miller you clowns.

 

[DancingPanther]

You had me at Hagg

Vegas would be bonkers to take this

 

[Striiker]

Obviously yes.

I'm sure someone would be dumb enough to give us more, but trading Hagg for the very last pick in the draft would improve our roster. Nearly any player in the league would be a win for us in a Hagg 1 for 1 trade, unless they have some kind of horrible contract.

 

[Magua]

This team is soft enough without losing Hagg. Hard pass. Into a skaters’ mid section. The Hagg special.

 

[deadhead]

Hagg isn't that bad if you can pair him with a mobile RHD and not ask him to do to much.
There are a lot of bad 3rd pair D-men making $3-4M a year, we've had some of them.
Hagg is cheap and young enough that a HC might take a chance he can coach him up.

Vegas would do it to shed salary, they have some other players they value more they would like to keep.

 

[Tripod]

No reservations about Miller being benched in the playoffs and paying him 3.9 million?

 

[deadhead]

We have the money to pay him.
He was replaced for one game by Nick Holden, which sounds more like a HC trying to add a physical element.
Miller played 18:32 in game 7 at San Jose, so it wasn't like they gave up on him.

Probably more like Gudas, don't ask him to carry the load, but can be a positive contributor.
Question is whether they'll extend Gudas, for one year you could carry Miller's salary, and buy time for Myers.
Then Myers moves up the food chain and Miller replaces Gudas.

 

[Domino666]

Obviously yes.

I'm sure someone would be dumb enough to give us more, but trading Hagg for the very last pick in the draft would improve our roster. Nearly any player in the league would be a win for us in a Hagg 1 for 1 trade, unless they have some kind of horrible contract.

Welcome back kid feel like I haven’t seen you post here in awhile

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

If I didn’t think there were some dumb GM’s out there that would give something decent for him I’d give away Hagg for free just to get him off the team.

So giving him up for an actual quality defensemen is a pretty easy yes.

 

[Striiker]

Welcome back kid feel like I haven’t seen you post here in awhile

Thanks

Took a break but now I'm back to continue my lifes mission of ****ting on Hagg.

 

[GKJ]

No reservations about Miller being benched in the playoffs and paying him 3.9 million?

Vegas needs to clear money, so they could make it worth our while. Imagine being an expansion team and having to think that way.

 

[Normand Lacombe]

Since the Flyers are run by imbeciles, I see Fletcher giving Hagg a seven year contract extension with a full no trade clause.

 

[kudymen]

How many hits did Miller have?!

 

[wankstifier]

Hagg isn't that bad if you can pair him with a mobile RHD and not ask him to do to much.
There are a lot of bad 3rd pair D-men making $3-4M a year, we've had some of them.
Hagg is cheap and young enough that a HC might take a chance he can coach him up.

Vegas would do it to shed salary, they have some other players they value more they would like to keep.

“Hagg’s not that bad if you give him sheltered minutes with a top 4 RHD, tell him to just stand around, and let his babysitter do all the work”

To be a passable NHL defenseman, Hagg needs to overcome several major deficiencies. He’s not going to be in the league much longer. The upside isn’t there for teams to keep giving him chances over the next 5 years.

 

[The Madrigal]

No reservations about Miller being benched in the playoffs and paying him 3.9 million?

Exactly. I keep seeing his name get brought up and I don't get it. He was a healthy scratch a few times during the regular season, and then benched in the playoffs. One of his biggest strengths is the PP which the Flyers don't really need. I don't see him as an upgrade in the top four at all and a waste of 3.9 million for the Flyers.

 

[Tripod]

“Hagg’s not that bad if you give him sheltered minutes with a top 4 RHD, tell him to just stand around, and let his babysitter do all the work”

To be a passable NHL defenseman, Hagg needs to overcome several major deficiencies. He’s not going to be in the league much longer. The upside isn’t there for teams to keep giving him chances over the next 5 years.

Luke Schenn is still getting chances in this league. Hagg will too.

 

[deadhead]

Some people don't do research, not every team is deep from top to bottom, there are a lot of marginal players on 4th lines and 3rd pairs.
At least Hagg is young enough to have upside, he's big, physical and durable and has decent mobility.
Doesn't mean he has a future here, the whole point of depth is you let someone else work with your marginal talents (Cousins, Weal, etc).

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Colin Miller is overpaid and overrated. You don't get scratched in the playoffs as a defenseman making $3.9M if you're an above-average blueliner. He's basically Andy Delmore. Fine if, ceteris paribus, you'd take him over Hagg, but I wouldn't at a $3.9M cap hit. If you're going to take up a D spot while adding $3.9M, at least use that money and roster spot on a better defenseman.

 

[deadhead]

Let's not get carried away with "he got scratched," it was one game and he started game 7.
On the other hand, Miller was rotating with Holden and Merrill in the regular season, but was the 6th D-man in the playoffs with Holden benched.

Miller 65g 19:39 (16:40 ES) - 18:39 (15:28)
Holden 61g 18:18 (16:27 ES) - one game 13:34
Merrill 57g 17:53 (16:28 ES) - 18:25 (16:14)
Miller and Theodore played the most minutes on the regular season PP
Holden played 3rd most PK minutes, Merrill 5th

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Every game in the playoffs is of the utmost importance. Let's not downplay a $3.9M defenseman being a healthy scratch for a playoff game, either. The scratch and his general usage throughout the season are evidence that his coaches don't exactly have a ton of trust in him. There's a lot of Delmore to his game. He's a good athlete, but a very flawed hockey player.

 

[deadhead]

Holden was the player they lacked confidence in, and putting him in for one game sounds more like an attempt to jump start the team by putting in the less talented but more physical player for a few shifts on the 3rd D-pair.