Habs trade value rankings #4

[CHfan1]

Since it’s now the off-season for the Habs I thought it would be an interesting idea to rank the Habs assets. These are current players, prospects, and future draft picks.

From the Habs perspective if they were looking to trade any asset which asset would return the most back in a trade.

Basically the higher the rank the more it would take for another NHL franchise to acquire that asset and the more valuable that asset is to the Habs franchise.

This does not mean the Habs are going to trade or want to trade that asset.

Things to consider when voting:

• Talent
• Age
• Contract situation, how many years left on their current contract, status at the end. Information can be found here - Montreal Canadiens - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
• Position (for example centres are typically more important than wingers)

Position	Player	% of vote
1​	Suzuki​	70.8​
2​	Kotkaniemi​	72.4​
3​	Price​	26.7​

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[Dominator13]

Price n.3???

Gallagher, Caufield and Danault would fetch a much better return than Price.

He's a 33 year old goalie on a 10.5 mil a season contract! Are some here expecting 2 1st round picks if he was traded away?

 

[Hins77]

Weber. He played well during playoff. Every team would like him in their d corp

 

[MasterD]

Price n.3???

Gallagher, Caufield and Danault would fetch a much better return than Price.

He's a 33 year old goalie on a 10.5 mil a season contract! Are some here expecting 2 1st round picks if he was traded away?

lol. Gallagher's done, Caufield is an unproven, potentially unidimensional midget, and Danault is a #3C. Any team going for cup would love Price. Doesn't mean we wouldn't have to take a cap dump.

 

[De Montreal]

Price n.3???

Gallagher, Caufield and Danault would fetch a much better return than Price.

He's a 33 year old goalie on a 10.5 mil a season contract! Are some here expecting 2 1st round picks if he was traded away?

Yeah

I think it would be

1 Suzuki
2 Kotkaniemi
3 Danault
4 Caufield
5 Price
6 Weber
7 Gallagher
8 Petry
9 Domi
10 Romanov

 

[ProMath]

Am I wrong ?

How can you think a prospect (mid 1st round pick and less) have more value than an actual main piece of a team in the NHL. I get the contract (soon to be UFA) play a big part.

Something I notice over the years...we always have awesome prospect...but if 1-2 prospect make it per years...it’s good.

So for example...

Caufield: for me, there is a bigger chance he doesn’t make it (I mean be an impact player, 1st/2nd line). If you truly believe he has a 100% chance of making it... scouting would be much easier.

If someone offer me a caufield for Webber...the answer is easy for me

 

[JianYang]

Price n.3???

Gallagher, Caufield and Danault would fetch a much better return than Price.

He's a 33 year old goalie on a 10.5 mil a season contract! Are some here expecting 2 1st round picks if he was traded away?

Yeah I wonder if people factored into the equation that any trade involving price would likely require eating a chunk of his salary before we even get to a potential return.

That factor hurts his value right off the hop.

 

[AlexGretzchenvid]

Price n.3???

Gallagher, Caufield and Danault would fetch a much better return than Price.

He's a 33 year old goalie on a 10.5 mil a season contract! Are some here expecting 2 1st round picks if he was traded away?

Uhm are you high?
It’s Carey price.

He fetches 3 late first in subsequent years and a prospect.

mid pacio got Suzy Tatar and Norlinder then price gets you more..

 

[Sam of Montreal]

Am I wrong ?

How can you value a prospect (mid 1st round pick and less) have more value than an actual main piece of a team actually in the NHL. I get the contract (soon to be UFA) play a big part.

Something I notice over the years...we always have awesome prospect...but if 1-2 prospect make it per years...it’s good.

So for example...

Caufield: for me, there is a bigger chance he doesn’t make it (I mean be an impact player, 1st/2nd line). If you truly believe he has a 100% chance of making it... scouting would be much easier.

If someone offer me a caufield for Webber...the answer is easy for me

Prospect for a star player one for one? Sign me up.

 

[OldCraig71]

Prospect for a star player one for one? Sign me up.

I just read your username and it made me smile.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

People don't know how value works in here

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Uhm are you high?
It’s Carey price.

He fetches 3 late first in subsequent years and a prospect.

mid pacio got Suzy Tatar and Norlinder then price gets you more..

Yeah because clearly Pacioretty and Price have the same salary and years.
Your post don't make any sense.

Nobody is gonna overpay for Carey Price at 10.5m for 7 years without salary retained

we are talking about value in a trade here.

 

[Hins77]

Am I wrong ?

If someone offer me a caufield for Webber...the answer is easy for me

This is a loser mentality. You build a team for win the cup. So today, im askingto you. Would you choose between caufield or weber if next year you want to win the cup? You gonna receive many calls for weber. No one for caufîeld. Caufield has only value for montreal.

 

[ProMath]

This is a loser mentality. You build a team for win the cup. So today, im askingto you. Would you choose between caufield or weber if next year you want to win the cup? You gonna receive many calls for weber. No one for caufîeld. Caufield has only value for montreal.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough for you.

By easy answer, I meant I would not accept an offer like that. Obviously Weber has more value than Caufield.

The question is simple. Context change almost nothing here. Rebuilding or contender...doesn’t change anything...

I have no idea why you start your post the way you did

 

[Gamimenos]

2 polls too slow for Pricey.

Weber then Gallagher is the next in line.

 

[WatchfulElm]

Reading this thread, and how everybody seem pretty sure of their totally different opinions, I conclude that we have absolutely no clue as a group (I include myself in this) what the players true trade value is.

If some NHL exec is reading this thread, I'm sure they must have a good laugh.

I'm having a lot of trouble myself to evaluate the value of soon to be UFA, like Danault, Gallagher, Petry and Tatar. It probably fluctuates if the team acquiring them believe they can re-sign them or not.

 

[Sam of Montreal]

Yeah because clearly Pacioretty and Price have the same salary and years.
Your post don't make any sense.

Nobody is gonna overpay for Carey Price at 10.5m for 7 years without salary retained

we are talking about value in a trade here.

We will probably never know because Price will not be traded during his prime years. You may claim it is because of a lack of trade value, but MB and many others would claim it is because he is too good of a player to trade and that trading a player like him has bad repercussions on the team for years.

Reading this thread, and how everybody seem pretty sure of their totally different opinions, I conclude that we have absolutely no clue as a group (I include myself in this) what the players true trade value is.

If some NHL exec is reading this thread, I'm sure they must have a good laugh.

I'm having a lot of trouble myself to evaluate the value of soon to be UFA, like Danault, Gallagher, Petry and Tatar. It probably fluctuates if the team acquiring them believe they can re-sign them or not.

It's definitely not possible to know in all cases. Even GMs evaluate and guess to the best of their ability. I think that, if Buffalo GM knew what Scandella would fetch at the deadline, he would have asked for more.

I also believe that the real trade value and the ability for a GM to get the best deal for a player is two different things. If two GMs or more are willing to go in a bidding war for a player, you may get a very nice price for a player. In a different circumstance, you may have to sell low on a better asset.

A good example is TB this year deciding they needed to add grit to avoid playoff failure like the previous year. They were willing to pay much more for Goodrows and Colemans than they would have the previous year. A team selling such a player this year was in a better position than last year.

 

[SOLR]

lol. Gallagher's done, Caufield is an unproven, potentially unidimensional midget, and Danault is a #3C. Any team going for cup would love Price. Doesn't mean we wouldn't have to take a cap dump.

I think there should be more options for Price and Weber. The trade value of Price at 8m is much better than at 10.5.

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

Am I wrong ?

How can you think a prospect (mid 1st round pick and less) have more value than an actual main piece of a team in the NHL. I get the contract (soon to be UFA) play a big part.

Something I notice over the years...we always have awesome prospect...but if 1-2 prospect make it per years...it’s good.

So for example...

Caufield: for me, there is a bigger chance he doesn’t make it (I mean be an impact player, 1st/2nd line). If you truly believe he has a 100% chance of making it... scouting would be much easier.

If someone offer me a caufield for Webber...the answer is easy for me

I agree. I'd even say you fetch more in a trade for Weber and Price, and many other guys than you do for Kotkaniemi.

Let's get real. He's shown some promise in the playoffs, but to non-Habs fans, it doesn't mean a whole lot of things. The team that gets him sees the 8 points he got this season and the 30 points the season before. You're not selling your mother for a guy like that.

Suzuki, though, I could see some teams giving very solid assets to get him. But I think a contender that looks to win now would possibly give an even higher return for either Price or Weber. Pretty sure Colorado would sell its right kidney to get Price. And pretty sure a team like the Jets would give up tons of assets to get Weber.