Proposal: Habs and Jets swap youth

[Habs Halifax]

- Juulsen
- Hillis
for
- Vesalainen

Habs can use a left handed prospect in our system in the forward group. Have your scouts check out Juulsen in the AHL this year and we will look at Vesalainen. We can talk at Christmas if you are interested? Hillis also playing very well in the OHL as a 19 year old this year.

Juulsen is the boring type but is very sound defensibly, plays physical, and skates well. Not an offensive type and more of a shutdown type. Was 2nd behind Petry last year before he got hurt (before Weber came back) and his age 21 season was derailed. He's back playing this year and is already leading the Laval Rocket as the best defensive piece. Have a look at him in the next month or so while he gets his confidence back.

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[HockeyDBspecialist]

Feel like we overpay a bit here, interesting, but Juulsen is actually playing really well in Laval.


Not sure I would do it, but if Vesalainen can finally emerge like Juulsen, why not

 

[Habs Halifax]

Feel like we overpay a bit here, interesting, but Juulsen is actually playing really well in Laval.


Not sure I would do it, but if Vesalainen can finally emerge like Juulsen, why not

I think it's fair to both sides and both Vesalainen and Juulsen are late 1st round picks. I added Hillis due to Juulsen missing most of his age 21 development year with that injury. I think the Jets should scout him in the next few Laval games and let us know. Juulsen could help their RD depth but he is a shutdown D type that has decent mobility. Not going to rack up the points but has very good all around game and does the little things very well.

Hillis is trending very well in his age 19 season. Good grade B prospect that could surprise

 

[Ctrain2k]

Pretty bad for the jets.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Pretty bad for the jets.

whats the point of even commenting if you are only saying this

 

[Vachon23]

Why would the Jets trade a 20 years old 1st rounder for an injury prone 22 years old player ? Even if he was a 1st rounder

 

[Snowman]

I can't see the Jets having any interest in Juulsen.

 

[jfhabs]

I can't see the Jets having any interest in Juulsen.

Because of the deep défense or because they're giving a top prospect for him?

 

[Snowman]

Because of the deep défense or because they're giving a top prospect for him?

Mainly because the Jets would be giving up a good young wing prospect for a defenseman type that we already have a ton of.

 

[HabsMD97]

terrible for jets, and this is coming from a habs fan

 

[jfhabs]

Mainly because the Jets would be giving up a good young wing prospect for a defenseman type that we already have a ton of.

Not going to act like I know the defense pool of the Jets very well, but I don't see too many RD prospect with top 4 upside on the Jets. Before injury that's what Juulsen was looking like and he's been doing pretty well on Laval in the ahl so far. I agree Vesalainen has more value for sure tho. Just think Juulsen could/should be of interest for the Jets?

 

[Snowman]

Not going to act like I know the defense pool of the Jets very well, but I don't see too many RD prospect with top 4 upside on the Jets. Before injury that's what Juulsen was looking like and he's been doing pretty well on Laval in the ahl so far. I agree Vesalainen has more value for sure tho. Just think Juulsen could/should be of interest for the Jets?

Nah, no interest with his injury history.

 

[mondo3]

Concept wise it’s on the right track - trading vesa for a young RD makes sense

 

[Jeti]

Concept wise it’s on the right track - trading vesa for a young RD makes sense

Agreed. But Juulsen isn't good enough.

 

[Hockey Stick]

Value aside, I kind of want to hold on and see what Hillis can do in pro hockey. He's having a monster season in Guelph right now. Have to think he's only going to get bigger and better

 

[mondo3]

Agreed. But Juulsen isn't good enough.

agreed...does Montreal has a better RD prospect they could offer?

 

[Captain Mountain]

I don't really see the logic.

left shot wingers (prospects or NHLers) are the least scarce skaters in the NHL. And Montreal currently has 2 top-9 LWers under the age of 25 (3 when you include Domi, who is probably a LWer going forward).

If Montreal is in a position where they need a LWer, then I can see the point, but unless you strongly believe that Vesalainen will be better than Juulsen+Hillis, there isn't a point to the trade. Obsessively balancing a prospect pool's handedness is a waste of time.

Now, I think Vesalainen will be better than Juulsen+Hillis, which is why I'd do the trade, but why would the Jets? You keep your best prospects.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why would the Jets trade a 20 years old 1st rounder for an injury prone 22 years old player ? Even if he was a 1st rounder

Injury prone? He had two pucks to his face in the same spot in the same game. How is that injury prone? His age 21 season of development where he was on a good track was derailed. He's back playing in the AHL and he is already our best Defensemen in terms of providing shutdown ability

Jets can scout him as he plays more games and gets back to where he was before that freak injury. Adding Hillis who is a decent grade B prospect trending very well as a 19 year old in the OHL this year.

It's not a terrible idea for both teams to make this move but I'm guessing you think Juulsen is not NHL quality when he was before those pucks to his face derailed his age 21 season of momentum. Juulsen can help their RD side for sure IMO but they need to feel comfortable he is past that freak injury

 

[Vachon23]

Injury prone? He had two pucks to his face in the same spot in the same game. How is that injury prone? His age 21 season of development where he was on a good track was derailed. He's back playing in the AHL and he is already our best Defensemen in terms of providing shutdown ability

Jets can scout him as he plays more games and gets back to where he was before that freak injury. Adding Hillis who is a decent grade B prospect trending very well as a 19 year old in the OHL this year.

It's not a terrible idea for both teams to make this move but I'm guessing you think Juulsen is not NHL quality when he was before those pucks to his face derailed his age 21 season of momentum. Juulsen can help their RD side for sure IMO but they need to feel comfortable he is past that freak injury

The last time Juulsen played a full season was in 2015-2016 (and It was the only year where he was healthy a full season). Hillis is a kind of prospect every organization have, he doesn’t have a ton of value

 

[TT1]

whats the point of even commenting if you are only saying this

because its pretty bad for the Jets?

That said, i personally haven't seen Hillis play this season. I'd obviously like to see him some more (dev camp/preseason etc.) before we even think about trading him...

I'd do something around Juulsen+ for Nutivaara, that's the type of trade we should be looking at for Juulsen.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The last time Juulsen played a full season was in 2015-2016 (and It was the only year where he was healthy a full season). Hillis is a kind of prospect every organization have, he doesn’t have a ton of value

Juulsen and Hillis = Vesalainen. Some can make the argument that adding Hillis is not required

- Hillis is a grade B trending well. He has some value and yeah, everybody knows he can surprise or he can bust. That's reality

- Juulsen's development was derailed in his age 21 season where he made the NHL and was our 2nd best D man behind Petry in the first 20 games ish before Weber came back. He's not the flashy offensive type but lets not pretend the things he does well when he is on his game have little to no value. He can be a top 4D or a journey NHL defensemen. We don't know and I REPEAT, jets can scout him while he plays AHL this year. We can talk after they get a chance to check him out.

- Vesalainen is a 20 year old who has 8 pts in 17 AHL games. Decent prospect but are you pretending he is a sure shot top 9 talent in the NHL? Habs can also scout him while he plays more AHL games.

The intent here is to give the Jets some RD options with Juulsen and the Habs add a Left handed prospect which we could use.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

because its pretty bad for the Jets?

That said, i personally haven't seen Hillis play this season. I'd obviously like to see him some more (dev camp/preseason etc.) before we even think about trading him...

I'd do something around Juulsen+ for Nutivaara, that's the type of trade we should be looking at for Juulsen.

its not as bad as you think..... what's up with the hype of first rounders ?

 

[TT1]

its not as bad as you think..... what's up with the hype of first rounders ?

What "hype of first rounders"? I just proposed Juulsen+ (a 1st rounder) for Nutivaara (non 1st rounder)...........

 

[Habs Halifax]

because its pretty bad for the Jets?

That said, i personally haven't seen Hillis play this season. I'd obviously like to see him some more (dev camp/preseason etc.) before we even think about trading him...

I'd do something around Juulsen+ for Nutivaara, that's the type of trade we should be looking at for Juulsen.

How so? Cause you have Vesalainen as a sure shot top 9F?

Hillis is having a good OHL season at 19. He's the add on top of Juulsen. The only issue with Juulsen is his age 21 season was derailed with pucks to his face that causes issues for him. He's back at it this year and playing very well in the AHL. Don't count him out yet.

This is a minor deal where teams swap youth. Jets get a RD option in Juulsen where he could be a top 4D or a journeymen and the Habs get a Left handed prospect up front. Hillis added to sweeten the deal but I think some say it might be too much.

Lets the Jets scout Juulsen cause they do need RD options. It's a deal that could work out for them and it don't cost them much. Habs get to add someone who rounds up the forward LW options in the prospect pool and we can use him in Laval at LW

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

What "hype of first rounders"? I just proposed Juulsen+ (a 1st rounder) for Nutivaara (non 1st rounder)...........

no, because you over-value Vesalainen big time if you think he is that far superior to Juulsen