163 assists is almost impossible to get in a season with a player in a video game... no joke.
To be fair even the 39 in 50 was a bit of anomaly and why it prolly is one of the hardest to break.
Gretzky went into game 39 with 45 in 38 and was "on pace" to do it in 42-43 games.
Instead he decided to score 5 in that game.
It's up there with the 76 goal rookie record imo.
I think an elite scorer with a anormal and somewhat long hot strike COULD beat the 39 in 50 with every bounce going his way.Dont think it will happen with the present cast but who knows.As for the 163 assists , i can't see anybody beating that , we'll need more talented players in this league if you just want to get close to it.I think the upper echelon talent is kind of weak in this league as of now.
we'll need more talented players in this league if you just want to get close to it.I think the upper echelon talent is kind of weak in this league as of now.
Modern technique is far superior to the stand-up style, even with the old equipment. It's about playing percentages, and being proactive instead of reactive.
ps. I'm waiting for any of the new generation to break even 150 points, let alone assists
We're going to be waiting a while.
There isn't a single player in the league or on the horizon of the calibre of a Lemieux or Gretzky..
Agreed, hell there isn't even a single player of Yzerman's, Sakic's or Jagr's caliber yet.
Sid and OV could be but that's a loooong ways off yet.
I've gotta disagree with this one. I don't think any of the three you listed above were as consistently dominant as Sid and Ovy have been in their first 5 seasons.
I've gotta disagree with this one. I don't think any of the three you listed above were as consistently dominant as Sid and Ovy have been in their first 5 seasons.
How have Sid and Ovy been dominant so far?
They haven't separated themselves from the other stars much at all in my opinion.
I mean I think they are the best two forwards right now but my point is you don't see much of a drop off between them and the rest.
But it's not like there was a big gap between Jagr, Sakic, and Yzerman and other stars either. And of that group, I'd say only Jagr could claim to be the best player in the world at any time. (Maybe Sakic for the 2001 season alone, and Yzerman in 1989 alone if we ignore 66/99). These three have all had better careers obviously, but longevity is about all any of them have on Crosby IMO. The jury is still out on Ovechkin, playoff success pending.
Jagr was definitely able to separate himself from the rest of the pack offensively. To me he is a notch below that Gretzky and Lemieux level for scoring.
Sakic and Yzerman in my books are actually another notch below Jagr offensively overall but both were able to approach that level at times. They bring a lot more than just offense though which makes them even better.
The fact is that only 2 players have ever scored more than Yzerman in a season. Lemieux and Gretzky. And neither of them ever got many Selke votes like Yzerman did.
I just don't see Sid or Ovie anywhere near that yet.
I think they might get to the Yzerman/Sakic level but I have a hard time believing they will get higher than that.
How have Sid and Ovy been dominant so far?
They haven't separated themselves from the other stars much at all in my opinion.
I mean I think they are the best two forwards right now but my point is you don't see much of a drop off between them and the rest.
Well, Ovechkin has 5 consecutive First Allstar Team selections (at a time when the LW position is actually pretty strong). He's been top-3 in scoring 4 times in 5 years. He has an Art Ross, 2 Richards, 2 Harts, 3 Pearsons, and has led the league in PPG the last 3 seasons. He has absolutely run away with two goal scoring races, including the first 65 goal season since Lemieux in 1996. He has 20 goals and 40 points in 28 playoff games. He's 24 years old.
At the age of 22, Sidney Crosby has an Art Ross, a Hart, and a Richard. He's been a first and second team allstar at the always tough centre position. He's led a young team to back-to-back Stanley Cup Finals appearances, and has become the youngest players to ever captain a Cup champion. He has 82 points in 62 playoff games. He recently scored one of the biggest international goals in recent memory.
Unless you reserve the term for the handful of Gretzky-level players we've seen, I don't know you could not consider these two to be dominant?
Well, Ovechkin has 5 consecutive First Allstar Team selections (at a time when the LW position is actually pretty strong). He's been top-3 in scoring 4 times in 5 years. He has an Art Ross, 2 Richards, 2 Harts, 3 Pearsons, and has led the league in PPG the last 3 seasons. He has absolutely run away with two goal scoring races, including the first 65 goal season since Lemieux in 1996. He has 20 goals and 40 points in 28 playoff games. He's 24 years old.
At the age of 22, Sidney Crosby has an Art Ross, a Hart, and a Richard. He's been a first and second team allstar at the always tough centre position. He's led a young team to back-to-back Stanley Cup Finals appearances, and has become the youngest players to ever captain a Cup champion. He has 82 points in 62 playoff games. He recently scored one of the biggest international goals in recent memory.
Unless you reserve the term for the handful of Gretzky-level players we've seen, I don't know you could not consider these two to be dominant?
Jagr was definitely able to separate himself from the rest of the pack offensively. To me he is a notch below that Gretzky and Lemieux level for scoring.
Sakic and Yzerman in my books are actually another notch below Jagr offensively overall but both were able to approach that level at times. They bring a lot more than just offense though which makes them even better.
The fact is that only 2 players have ever scored more than Yzerman in a season. Lemieux and Gretzky. And neither of them ever got many Selke votes like Yzerman did.
I just don't see Sid or Ovie anywhere near that yet.
I think they might get to the Yzerman/Sakic level but I have a hard time believing they will get higher than that.
I think there's more elite talent than ever. Nobody as good as Gretzky, Orr or Lemieux, but there's more players coming from more countries that have better developed hockey programs... there's just simply more talent. I don't see how you can make the argument that isn't the most talent-laden era ever. We've even got a Slovenian star.
To get an environment where Crosby or Ovechkin can make a run at any records, we need more bottom-tier players and bad teams. Large scale expansion, dilute the league and let the elite players go to town and exploit inferior players. Rapid expansion always coincides with more offense. Dilution of the talent pool during the WW2 era meant more offense and broken records.
Ovechkin in particular could make a serious run at 92 goals if the league went through some changes. Brett Hull made a serious run. Even Cam Neely scored 50 in 44.
But 163 assists is the one that is going to be the hardest single-season offensive record to break, no matter what happens... it's just so anomalous even by Gretzky standards.
Yzerman was only a two-way threat after his offensive totals plummeted. He was considered neither complete nor clutch when he was in his offensive prime. Crosby is at least as complete now as Yzerman ever was, and he's only 22. In a given year, he can lead the league in goals and/or assists, points, and he's improving by leaps and bounds defensively and in the faceoff circle. His playoff resume is also insane, he's led the league in goals, assists and points in the playoffs, and he's already almost halfway to Yzerman's playoff point total and is a successful captain at an age where Yzerman was years from being considered a great leader.
When Crosby's in his prime, he'll separate himself comfortably from Sakic and Yzerman, unless something bad happens. Ovechkin pretty much already has. 3 Lindsays already and has no peer when it comes to goal scoring and consistent offensive production.