Greatest Playmakers Of All-Time: #11
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Sorry but Francis shouldn't be 10th all time, just no.
Took Mikita but really arguments could be made for many guys here.
Took Mikita but really arguments could be made for many guys here.
Hawerchuk had like 30 fewer assists then Mikita in 200 fewer games and put up 77 in a season twice.
he’s underrated because Winnipeg, but Ducky should be right up there and is as good or better then 3/4 of that list.
he’s underrated because Winnipeg, but Ducky should be right up there and is as good or better then 3/4 of that list.
that a joke? you understand he played his whole career in the highest scoring era ever, never lead the league in assists, or was even that close. In his BEST season (80 assists) he was 6TH.
Dude, learn how to compare stats. Has nothing to do with "Winnipeg" and everything to do with that fact that he actually wasnt as good as you think.
lol.
He never led the league in assists because he played at the same time as this Gretzky guy.
I’m not even saying he’s top 15, but having guys like Coffey and Sedin ahead of him is a joke.
Hawerchuk never played with a legit top line winger and turned guys like Brian Mullen and Paul Maclean into scorers.
oh really? so if its only because of Gretzky.... tell me, how many times did he finish 2nd or 3rd?
In his BEST season (80 assists) he was 6TH. Just an FYI.
Not much, and it doesnt matter.... still isnt better than Coffey and Sedin. At all.
His best finish was 4th twice, and then 6th. Compare that to everyone on the list, and hes probably last in that regard.
Coffey was a phenomenal player. He got to play with Gretzky, Kurri, Messier, etc.
As mentioned, Hawerchuk played with Mullen, McLean, Boschman. Not comparable at all.
Ok thats your opinion, but no ones else's. Hes not way down the list, but hes more comparable to Denis Savard than Sedin or Coffey.
In 82-83, the Oilers scored 106 more goals then the Jets. Hawerchuk is criminally underrated because of the market he played in, and the shit team he played on. He was the Jets for 10 years.
and behind Messier in A/GP.... whatever the case, doesnt make him better than 3/4 of the list as you claim. Sedin lead the league 3 times in assists! And no its not because of his brother, its because he was a great playmaker.
Hawerchuk is in and around guys like Savard and Stastny. Hell, Bernie Federko has a better A/GP and didnt play with better players, why not mention him?
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Ronnie Franchise is #2 all time for assists, yet you don't think he should be one of the top 10 playmakers? I'd be interested to see your criteria for this topic.
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I know it wasn't directed to me but since it was quite easy to answer :
NHL All-Time Assists per Game Leaders
That being said, don't think he should be too far from that spot anyway
Interesting that Hawerchuk and Federko are 12 and 13 on that list despite never really playing with any talent.
Bobby Orr 3rd, Coffey not in top 10(and behind someone like Francis) despite being about as good of a playmaker and having a complete career. And someone in this very thread want's to put Hawechuk out of all players above Coffey as a playmaker? HFBoards at it's finest.
Coffey was a great player, but he did benefit from being able to feed the puck to Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Anderson et al for most of his career. He played the same era as Hawerchuk and averaged .8 assists per game to Ducky's 0.75. Hawerchuk didn't have the benefit of those great players around him.
And how the hell is Bobby Orr being 3rd a question, lol.
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It just makes zero sense, you forgot to mention the fact that Coffey was a defenceman while Hawerchuk played as a forward(how many defencemen do you find that average anywhere close to that?). Orr also beat up on expansion teams and played with great players on a winning team, sure Coffey playing with Gretzky is obviously an advantage in the cases of Messier, Kurri etc id argue he is the one who made them shine moreso than the opposite.
Lemieux played with Jagr, Coffey, Francis etc and I don't see anybody punishing him for it.
Watch someone like Erik Karlsson he didn't exactly improve his assist totals when he got, arguably, better players around him.
I am not really questioning Orr being 3rd I am questioning Coffey not being right there with him(honestly they are pretty much equal playmaking wise) and I am certainly questioning Hawerchuk even being mentioned in the same breathe as either. Hawerchuk vs aformentioned Karlsson, playmaking wise, might be a realistic starting point in my mind.
(Someone like Francis above Coffey is borderline offensive to begin with, Oates+Forsberg are way to high aswell but that's par of the course.)
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Who would you rather play with?
jagr, Francis, Coffey
Gretzky, messier, kurri
Brian Mullen, Paul Maclean, Laurie Boschman.
jagr, Francis, Coffey
Gretzky, messier, kurri
Brian Mullen, Paul Maclean, Laurie Boschman.
Look the whole greatest playmakers of all time is an extrmely diffcult task to sperate the player ron Froancis form the playmaker ron Francis.
Franic was one of my favorite guys from the 80s but I jsut don;t think that he is the 10th greates "playmaker" of all time.
he is second in assists primarily for # reasons.
1. His career started in the early 80's a very hgih scoring period of NHL history
2. He got to play with Jagr on the Pens (these 2 times he led the NHL in assists was then).
#. He played for a very long time.
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