Grading the Canucks Off Season Moves

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Off Season Assessment

TRADES

Trade for Miller - There were several deals during this off season where salary strapped teams needed to make one sided trades to get out of cap problems. Tampa certainly was a team that seemed in this position and, given that, Benning should have done more to exploit is superior trading position. Trading a possible lottery choice was iffy enough but adding a third, when Tampa was under pressure to do something to ease their cap issues, makes this deal absolutely questionable. Moreover, Miller has been a solid middle six player with some scoring upside but has never been a top line player. He should have been obtained for less than Benning gave up. Grade C -.

Perron Trade – All right minor league move. However, you never like giving up draft choices just to help your minor league team. Grade C

Trading 102nd Draft for 122 and 196. Keppen dropped so that seems like a good move. Grade C+

SIGNINGS

Ferland Signing – Cap hit is appropriate but the term is a little long. That said, the signing is a decent gamble that Ferland can be the player he has shown at times when he provided both scoring and jam. You do have some worry about Ferlund long term especially given the streakiness of his play and his concussion issues. No great bargain but seems a worthwhile deal. Grade B.

Myers - very much open to question. Canucks did get a character player that has shown ability to give you some offense from the back end. (something the team desperately needs) . However, Myers also can be suspect on defense. There is doubt that Myers is worth 6 mill a year and if he doesn’t pan out that term is going to be Eriksson level ugly. In the end, Canucks had to try to upgrade the defense and pursuing Myers was decent move in that direction. But you have to wonder if they ended up paying too much for too long. Grade C

Benn – Appears to be one of the best off season moves. Benn has been a solid contributor to his teams during the past few seasons and has developed into a decent lower end NHL defender. Also the price and term seem good. If nothing else signing was a very good depth move. Grade B

Fantenburg - at the price is a relatively good deal. Was not impressed with Fantenberg‘s play in either LA or Calgary. (although I thought he was better in Calgary). At 27, Fantenberg is unlikely to improve although there is chance he might get somewhat better with more NHL experience. As a depth signing not a bad move but players like Biega have clearly played better to date and you hope that he is not retained over someone like Biega. Also, team might have had Schenn at lower cost and Schenn appears better than Fantenberg. Grade C

Boucher Resigned. – Important move for Utica. Always a wonder why a player that shows so much skill in the AHL can’t cut it at the next level. But that now is sadly the case. Grade C+

Graovac, Bailey, MacKenzie - appear good minor league deals. Grade C+

Rafferty, Teves. Gives them a look see in the AHL. However, Canucks were again not able to sign the major collegiate free agents. Grade C

Silvos – Canucks again look for depth in goal. With the possibility that Demko will be lost in the expansion draft not bad thinking. Grade TBD

PLAYERS DUMPED

Granlund – Many have said that the team will show improvement when players like Granlund don’t have to be used. Probably a lot of truth in that. Maybe a reality the team should have recognized long ago and provided others with more of a chance. Moreover, the cap situation meant there was no way he could be brought back anyhow. Move gets downgraded b/c of not moving Granlund at the deadline last year but certainly not for letting him go. Grade C+

Gaunce dumped – might have considered a two way deal here but his disappointing play during the latter part of the year in Utica seems to justify just letting him go. Also extremely doubtful there was any future for Gaunce with the Canucks. Team made right decision here. Grade C+

Hutton dumped – another cap casualty. There was no way they could improve the defense and retain Hutton at the expected price required. Also Hutton could never get it done defensively on any kind of consistent basis. Again fault in the situation lies with not moving Hutton last season. Grade C

Spooner bought out. – did the right thing here to get more cap space and move out a player with no future with the team. Hard to congratulate any one here, however, since the buy out represented just one more bad consequence of the signing Gagner. Indeed, Benning trying to find his way out of some original blunder, through some mitigating action to lessen the overall damage, has been far too often the story. This needs to be factored into the grade. Grade C.

RE-SIGNINGS

Edler – Edler’s play last season merited this deal. Always the concern that last season was contract year and you hope there is no slippage in his play moving ahead. Both term and cap hit are very suitable. Edler would have got at least this contract if had he gone on the market. Grade A.

Levio – Levio showed enough to get another contract. Might be slightly too much and leaves him a free agent after this season which makes you question the long term interest in this player. If so, then you might have wanted to keep the cap money to give you some leeway with Boeser. However provides you some depth if a player like Baertschi goes down or if Boeser fails to report. Grade C+

Motte – player that suited Green’s system very well and still has some upside. Good skater that competes very hard and is relatively good on the PK. Gets a “show me” contract which at this point seems appropriate. Grade C+

Goldobin – might be the most difficult move to assess. There is always the hope that his offensive potential will be realized. But you see real troubling aspects to his play that makes you believe that possibility is a pipe dream. He must finish plays and score to be of much use since there are real problems with many areas of his game. Might be the team wasn’t willing to make the hard decision here and just cut bait. Yet, like Levio, he may provide a cheap top 6 backup plan if Boeser and Baertschi aren’t ready to play. Grade C+
Demko – might quibble that he hasn’t played enough NHL level hockey to get over million but his pedigree and potential make the deal fitting. Grade B

OTHER CONSIDERATIONS

Lunogo Recapture Penalty – not really a move by the team. Yet the fact that was met by a shrug from Benning is troubling and you might wonder if the team could have done more to anticipate the penalty and maybe should have done more to react to it. Might be that a more forceful GM would have spoken out more about the unfairness of the move (and it was definitely that) and sought some way to reduce the penalty. (maybe try to stretch the recapture out over a longer period, etc..). As it is, the team seemingly did nothing except meekly accept its fate and become pretty much the stooge in the situation. Grade F

Eriksson not moved – Self created nightmare that Benning couldn’t solve. Luckily avoided bringing in dead weight Lucic but you wonder if he could have somehow done something with teams with cap space or got in on the Neal deal. Freeing up at least some of Eriksson hideous cap hit remains crucial and the situation could become even messier. Grade F.

Boeser not Signed - Benning appears to holding the line which is smart IMO. Really have to let this play out before much can be said.

OVERALL RATING

There is never anything clever or nuanced about Benning’s moves. Just plod ahead and do the obvious. The Plan, as Benning described it, seems now evident. Build up a young base and then add veteran help. Really pretty standard. The problem is that Benning might well have overpaid and over-termed players in the process. Nor is there any certainty that the players brought in are going to push the team into contender status. Indeed, if players like Myers and Miller do not excel, the team likely ends up a mid-pack, fringe playoff team for the foreseeable future. And one that gave up first round draft to achieve what amounts to mediocracy. Moreover some real problems created by earlier moves (such as with Eriksson, Sutter and such) have not been at all resolved. Beyond that, the Canucks have maneuvered their way into a cap bind which may hurt their negotiations with Boeser and will make it difficult to use free agency to improve the team moving ahead.

Yet, Benning did make some steps to improve the team this off season. He has made an attempt to fill some obvious holes on the team and the Canucks are in better position to compete than they were at the end of last season. For that he deserves some credit.

Overall Grade C+
 
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Off Season Assessment

TRADES

Trade for Smith - There were several deals during this off season where salary strapped teams needed to make one sided trades to get out of cap problems. Tampa certainly was a team that seemed in this position and, given that, Benning should have done more to exploit is superior trading position. Trading a possible lottery choice was iffy enough but adding a third, when Tampa was under pressure to do something to ease their cap issues, makes this deal absolutely questionable. Moreover, Smith has been a solid middle six player with some scoring upside but has never been a top line player. He should have been obtained for less than Benning gave up. Grade C -.

Perron Trade – All right minor league move. However, you never like giving up draft choices just to help your minor league team. Grade C

Trading 102nd Draft for 122 and 196. Keppen dropped so that seems like a good move. Grade C+

SIGNINGS

Ferlund Signing – Cap hit is appropriate but the term is a little long. That said, the signing is a decent gamble that Ferlund can be the player he has shown at times when he provided both scoring and jam. You do have some worry about Ferlund long term especially given the streakiness of his play and his concussion issues. No great bargain but seems a worthwhile deal. Grade B.

Myers - very much open to question. Canucks did get a character player that has shown ability to give you some offense from the back end. (something the team desperately needs) . However, Myers also can be suspect on defense. There is doubt that Myers is worth 6 mill a year and if he doesn’t pan out that term is going to be Eriksson level ugly. In the end, Canucks had to try to upgrade the defense and pursuing Myers was decent move in that direction. But you have to wonder if they ended up paying too much for too long. Grade C

Benn – Appears to be one of the best off season moves. Benn has been a solid contributor to his teams during the past few seasons and has developed into a decent lower end NHL defender. Also the price and term seem good. If nothing else signing was a very good depth move. Grade B

Fantenburg - at the price is a relatively good deal. Was not impressed with Fantenberg‘s play in either LA or Calgary. (although I thought he was better in Calgary). At 27, Fantenberg is unlikely to improve although there is chance he might get somewhat better with more NHL experience. As a depth signing not a bad move but players like Biega have clearly played better to date and you hope that he is not retained over someone like Biega. Also, team might have had Schenn at lower cost and Schenn appears better than Fantenberg. Grade C

Boucher Resigned. – Important move for Utica. Always a wonder why a player that shows so much skill in the AHL can’t cut it at the next level. But that now is sadly the case. Grade C+

Graovac, Bailey, MacKenzie - appear good minor league deals. Grade C+

Rafferty, Teves. Gives them a look see in the AHL. However, Canucks were again not able to sign the major collegiate free agents. Grade C

Silvos – Canucks again look for depth in goal. With the possibility that Demko will be lost in the expansion draft not bad thinking. Grade TBD

PLAYERS DUMPED

Granlund – Many have said that the team will show improvement when players like Granlund don’t have to be used. Probably a lot of truth in that. Maybe a reality the team should have recognized long ago and provided others with more of a chance. Moreover, the cap situation meant there was no way he could be brought back anyhow. Move gets downgraded b/c of not moving Granlund at the deadline last year but certainly not for letting him go. Grade C+

Gaunce dumped – might have considered a two way deal here but his disappointing play during the latter part of the year in Utica seems to justify just letting him go. Also extremely doubtful there was any future for Gaunce with the Canucks. Team made right decision here. Grade C+

Hutton dumped – another cap casualty. There was no way they could improve the defense and retain Hutton at the expected price required. Also Hutton could never get it done defensively on any kind of consistent basis. Again fault in the situation lies with not moving Hutton last season. Grade C

Spooner bought out. – did the right thing here to get more cap space and move out a player with no future with the team. Hard to congratulate any one here, however, since the buy out represented just one more bad consequence of the signing Gagner. Indeed, Benning trying to find his way out of some original blunder, through some mitigating action to lessen the overall damage, has been far too often the story. This needs to be factored into the grade. Grade C.

RE-SIGNINGS

Edler – Edler’s play last season merited this deal. Always the concern that last season was contract year and you hope there is no slippage in his play moving ahead. Both term and cap hit are very suitable. Edler would have got at least this contract if had he gone on the market. Grade A.

Levio – Levio showed enough to get another contract. Might be slightly too much and leaves him a free agent after this season which makes you question the long term interest in this player. If so, then you might have wanted to keep the cap money to give you some leeway with Boeser. However provides you some depth if a player like Baertschi goes down or if Boeser fails to report. Grade C+

Motte – player that suited Green’s system very well and still has some upside. Good skater that competes very hard and is relatively good on the PK. Gets a “show me” contract which at this point seems appropriate. Grade C+

Goldobin – might be the most difficult move to assess. There is always the hope that his offensive potential will be realized. But you see real troubling aspects to his play that makes you believe that possibility is a pipe dream. He must finish plays and score to be of much use since there are real problems with many areas of his game. Might be the team wasn’t willing to make the hard decision here and just cut bait. Yet, like Levio, he may provide a cheap top 6 backup plan if Boeser and Baertschi aren’t ready to play. Grade C+
Demko – might quibble that he hasn’t played enough NHL level hockey to get over million but his pedigree and potential make the deal fitting. Grade B

OTHER CONSIDERATIONS

Lunogo Recapture Penalty – not really a move by the team. Yet the fact that was met by a shrug from Benning is troubling and you might wonder if the team could have done more to anticipate the penalty and maybe should have done more to react to it. Might be that a more forceful GM would have spoken out more about the unfairness of the move (and it was definitely that) and sought some way to reduce the penalty. (maybe try to stretch the recapture out over a longer period, etc..). As it is, the team seemingly did nothing except meekly accept its fate and become pretty much the stooge in the situation. Grade F

Eriksson not moved – Self created nightmare that Benning couldn’t solve. Luckily avoided bringing in dead weight Lucic but you wonder if he could have somehow done something with teams with cap space or got in on the Neal deal. Freeing up at least some of Eriksson hideous cap hit remains crucial and the situation could become even messier. Grade F.

Boeser not Signed - Benning appears to holding the line which is smart IMO. Really have to let this play out before much can be said.

OVERALL RATING

There is never anything clever or nuanced about Benning’s moves. Just plod ahead and do the obvious. The Plan, as Benning described it, seems now evident. Build up a young base and then add veteran help. Really pretty standard. The problem is that Benning might well have overpaid and over-termed players in the process. Nor is there any certainty that the players brought in are going to push the team into contender status. Indeed, if players like Myers and Smith do not excel, the team likely ends up a mid-pack, fringe playoff team for the foreseeable future. And one that gave up first round draft to achieve what amounts to mediocracy. Moreover some real problems created by earlier moves (such as with Eriksson, Sutter and such) have not been at all resolved. Beyond that, the Canucks have maneuvered their way into a cap bind which may hurt their negotiations with Boeser and will make it difficult to use free agency to improve the team moving ahead.

Yet, Benning did make some steps to improve the team this off season. He has made an attempt to fill some obvious holes on the team and the Canucks are in better position to compete than they were at the end of last season. For that he deserves some credit.

Overall Grade C+

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SillyRabbit

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I agree with most of you’ve said but I can’t agree with the Boeser holdout.

There’s no reason to not have Brock at training camp, it puts a negative shadow over the entire situation.

His deal should’ve been signed, sealed and delivered with plenty of time for him to be ready for training camp.

Dragging this out only causes bad blood on both sides. Benning has a shown a willingness to overpay bottom pairing d-men and bottom six forwards. Paying Boeser fair market value shouldn’t be the thing he holds out on.

Some fans have already taken to trashing Boeser on Twitter. We don’t need that kind of negativity thrown toward him when he’s clearly worth what he’s asking.
 
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Paying Boeser fair market value shouldn’t be the thing he holds out on.

Some fans have already taken to trashing Boeser on Twitter. We don’t need that kind of negativity thrown toward him when he’s clearly worth what he’s asking.

Do tell...
What's the $ and term he's asking for?
And what's fair market value?
 

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I wonder if he's going by the report of 7x4 from the Kuzma article.

Well that appears to be a too much/above market for a non-arbitration eligible RFA on such a short term.

Based on market, If he wants $7+ he would have to consider selling a UFA or or two.

I guessed he would come in at $6.8...
Then the Meier contract made me more optimistic... despite what his QO would be. But that's after 4 yrs of a great cap number.
 
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He gets an F for the Luongo recapture????
That seems way over the top TBH. There’s nothing to be gained by throwing a temper tantrum when the rules have been clear for years now.
I thought he had probably his best off season since he came here, which admittedly is a low bar. The only move I hated was the Miller trade because of the risk that first round pick becomes a lottery pick. Lottery teams should never make that kind of trade IMO. I also can’t penalize him for not getting rid of Eriksson as that was just not happening unless we paid a high price. That terrible move happened another off season. I suppose I could penalize him if the rumours he tried to trade him for Lucic are true.
I’d probably give him a B or B minus but only if he gets Boeser signed to a reasonable deal.
 
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He gets an F for the Luongo recapture????
That seems way over the top TBH. There’s nothing to be gained by throwing a temper tantrum when the rules have been clear for years now.
I thought he had probably his best off season since he came here, which admittedly is a low bar. The only move I hated was the Miller trade because of the risk that first round pick becomes a lottery pick. Lottery teams should never make that kind of trade IMO. I also can’t penalize him for not getting rid of Eriksson as that was just not happening unless we paid a high price. That terrible move happened another off season. I suppose I could penalize him if the rumours he tried to trade him for Lucic are true.
I’d probably give him a B or B minus but only if he gets Boeser signed to a reasonable deal.
Being on the job for 5+ years and not being better prepared for the recapture is a failing on his part. You see it already used as a major excuse for him too. The difference is ~$2m, if the margin to put a team together after being 1 point out of worst in the entire NHL over the previous 4 years is that difficult, I take issue.

I think orcatown did a very good job with the OP, I really can't disagree with any of it, except maybe the Spooner thing...for me the buyout points to a larger short sighted effort to get this group to a playoff spot this season with detriments to the future. It barely created any more cap space for this season (~1m difference between parking him in the minors) and carries another million into 20/21, where a multitude of players will need new contracts and where the ELC bonuses of Hughes and Pettersson are already likely to limit their spending next year. To me it's just compounding a bad mistake. D for Spooner move IMO.
 

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Being on the job for 5+ years and not being better prepared for the recapture is a failing on his part. You see it already used as a major excuse for him too. The difference is ~$2m, if the margin to put a team together after being 1 point out of worst in the entire NHL over the previous 4 years is that difficult, I take issue.

I think orcatown did a very good job with the OP, I really can't disagree with any of it, except maybe the Spooner thing...for me the buyout points to a larger short sighted effort to get this group to a playoff spot this season with detriments to the future. It barely created any more cap space for this season (~1m difference between parking him in the minors) and carries another million into 20/21, where a multitude of players will need new contracts and where the ELC bonuses of Hughes and Pettersson are already likely to limit their spending next year. To me it's just compounding a bad mistake. D for Spooner move IMO.
Meh. I disagree. I think the overall grade is fine. I’d probably be a bit higher. But imo the recapture penalty is no one’s fault and blaming Benning for not being more forceful in complaining to the league is not fair imo.

I’d give Benning a failing grade most off seasons but the mistakes that place us in this cap position happened in earlier years. They are his fault but there was not much he could have done in this off season to address it imo.
Make no mistake Benning is the author of his own misfortune and should have already been fired but I have a hard time seeing how a new GM could have done a whole lot better. Two top 6 forwards added and half of our defense will be new this year. That’s a major makeover.
 
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If I'm Jim Benning and I know the Luongo recapture penalty is a possibility any season until his contract is expired, I'm keeping in good contact with his agent.

At very least at the end of every season to gauge a feeling on if he's going to continue playing or not. My off season plans will revolve around this information. I would call this just doing your due diligence as a way to not be blindsided.

Any kind of advanced warning is better then being kicked in the shins by it.
 
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So we judge the moves in relation to when it was signed/done and the makeup of our team at that point?

Aka- ferland signing in an absolute vacuum is a solid B but in consideration of the roster and where he will play (bottom6) signing another 3.5 mil player is stupid
 

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Grading based on preconception without seeing results is ludicrous. It's like passing out grades to kids on their Grade 12 final exams before they start the final year of high school based on their Grade 11 report cards.
 

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If I'm Jim Benning and I know the Luongo recapture penalty is a possibility any season until his contract is expired, I'm keeping in good contact with his agent.

At very least at the end of every season to gauge a feeling on if he's going to continue playing or not. My off season plans will revolve around this information. I would call this just doing your due diligence as a way to not be blindsided.

Any kind of advanced warning is better then being kicked in the shins by it.
I think that would be considered tampering.
 
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I think that would be considered tampering.

I think it's a grey area. A situation like this is a virtual unknown to the league with so few of them happening or playing out like this, without going the LTIRetire route.

He's not talking to the player or trying to acquire him, just being kept in the loop about his status. I would bet that Jim and the Canuck's knew he was retiring before the general public found out.
 

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In any case, simple risk management would dictate that the team anticipate the possibility that the recapture penalty be applied at any time. Anyone acting like this blindsided the team and is somehow something that couldn't have been predicted or prepared for is being dishonest.
 

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Grading based on preconception without seeing results is ludicrous. It's like passing out grades to kids on their Grade 12 final exams before they start the final year of high school based on their Grade 11 report cards.
So, lets just say the team makes the playoffs this year....would it be too early to judge? I'm just wondering, because I imagine all these signing would get good grades, but for the most part the contracts would only be 10-25% complete.

I guess we need to wait 6 years to have the full allotment of results to gauge the Myers signing?

Can't know the Eriksson signing yet either, for all we know the next 3 years could be his 3 best NHL seasons....we don't know, we don't have all the results.
 

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Haters will be haters.....
For you guys that keep bringing up the past moves
That is not the question

First off Benning has enough money to sign Boeser
Secondly, his adds were solid adds this year, and he has options
and can move players if need be

My question is does the moves he made this summer, make us better than last
and I would definitely yes ...…….
Are we a playoff team? Well that depends on how the team gels and injuries
Like every other team, to be determined

As per the 1st round pick traded...…….it is only a loss if we do not make the playoffs next year
then it will be a lottery pick.....this year it is the Canucks if they don't make it

Personally, I am not sure what else Benning could have done to make the team better
This year......solid drafting, AGAIN! Solid signings for those that would come to the west coast
and a trade that is to be determined but looks good on paper

I will give him a B and hold off giving him higher, until we win a round...for this year!

Ask me again next year!
 
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For the haters...……...

Here is my question to everybody

Based on my opinion that, Jimbo's secondary picks will progress over the next few years

Do the Maddens, Woo's, Hoglanders, DiPietro's, Rathbone's come in and fill in the holes that our out going players make

over the next 2 to 4 years? Are there any secondary picks that will develop into depth players, or

elevate over time to be a core players?

My next question would be to those negative nannies

Why is Vancouver still ranked as a team with a 10 ten prospect ranking , if the potential wasn't there?

Doesn't that also show Benning's positive abilities?

After all, it is just potential at this point. That is what we are talking about.
 

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TRADES

Trade for Miller - There were several deals during this off season where salary strapped teams needed to make one sided trades to get out of cap problems. Tampa certainly was a team that seemed in this position and, given that, Benning should have done more to exploit is superior trading position. Trading a possible lottery choice was iffy enough but adding a third, when Tampa was under pressure to do something to ease their cap issues, makes this deal absolutely questionable. Moreover, Miller has been a solid middle six player with some scoring upside but has never been a top line player.

Miller had seasons of 58 and 56 points before. Without even checking, I know that those seasons, Miller was in the top 50 in scoring for wingers. Considering the fact there are 62 wingers that play on the 1st line, that means we can use an argument that he put up 1st line numbers for those 2 seasons. A player that put up 1st line numbers is not a middle 6 winger. I still have no clue where people are getting this idea that Miller is a middle 6 winger. Higgins is a middle 6 winger and Hansen is one. Miller put up 1st line with Hayes and Grabner as his two regular linemates. He didn't even need a star to carry him.

First line numbers = middle 6 forward. I have never heard that logic before
 
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So, lets just say the team makes the playoffs this year....would it be too early to judge? I'm just wondering, because I imagine all these signing would get good grades, but for the most part the contracts would only be 10-25% complete.

I guess we need to wait 6 years to have the full allotment of results to gauge the Myers signing?

Can't know the Eriksson signing yet either, for all we know the next 3 years could be his 3 best NHL seasons....we don't know, we don't have all the results.

You can always pass judgment. But for long term UFA contracts I think that outside of winning a Cup, you got to look at the overall value. If you sign a player to a 6 year contract and he was absolutely full value 3 of those years, below average in his 4th year, and a huge anchor in his last two years, would you consider that to be a good signing? You win the Cup it's a great signing. If you don't...?

Your Eriksson example isn't a good one because when you're signing UFAs you're expecting immediate returns. It's the opposite of signing RFAs to long term contracts where the greatest return is expected to come from the player's later years.

With that said, I agree with what you're trying to say. You can always assign a grade or pass judgment based on current information.
 

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C+ is my default solid grade.

TRADES

Trade for Miller - I'll give it a B. Miller is a very good player, addresses the Canucks' needs, and is on a good contract. I would not trade a lottery pick for him. I think a mid first round pick + 3rd is steepish fair value. A late first + 3rd would be a steal.

Perron Trade – I will give it a C+. I like Perron but he's running out of chances to make the NHL and he's waiver eligible (not that I think he would be picked up). I wouldn't say the Canucks gave up a pick for him. They moved from 164 down to 215 in order to pick up Perron. No issues with that. But at the end of the day Perron figures to be 4th line/AHL depth.

Trading 102nd Draft for 122 and 196. C+ is a fair grade.

SIGNINGS

Ferland Signing – I will give it a B+. The Canucks were rumored to be interested in Ferland for a while and the rumored price was much higher than what Ferland is signed for. He's a potential 1st line complimentary winger for $3.5M AAV. There are some injury concerns but if he remains relatively healthy, he figures to be a decent value even if he's playing on the 3rd line.

Myers - I will give it a C+. I think it's fair to question whether he's the right target. The AAV is high. After this season he only has a 10 team no trade list. It's hard to acquire top 4 right-shot RD.

Benn – I'll give it a B-. I think he's a good signing and had a good year last season but I still have my reservations about his abilities. Hard to give too high of a grade for a projected 3rd pairing Dman.

Fantenburg - Sure I can go with C.

Other minor deals are fair. Don't really care to give then a grade.

PLAYERS DUMPED

Granlund and Gaunce. – I think it's time for a change.

Hutton dumped – I would assign it a low grade because I feel the Canucks could have gotten a draft pick for him. I'm not sure what offers he's getting but I would have tried to sign him for a lesser AAV. He's a solid NHL damn.

RE-SIGNINGS

Edler – The question is whether the Canucks would have been better off pursuing Gradiner insteaad. But I agree with the A grade. Once the decision to re-sign Edler was made, this was about as good of a contract as you can expect.

Levio – C+. It's hard to say how much he would be looking for if the Canucks wanted to sign him for 2 years. I like Leivo but it's anyone's guess what his role would be this season. I'm not worried about his UFA status.

Motte – Don't really care too much. Green likes him. Don't mind him being a depth forward for the Canucks or in Utica.

Goldobin – C+. Definitely wanted the Canucks to re-sign him. Nothing wrong with his contract.

OTHER CONSIDERATIONS

Lunogo Recapture Penalty – N/A grade. The Canucks have somehow alloted about $3.5M + Luongo's recapture penalty to sign another UFA. Ferland instead Nyquist was the result of the Canucks taking into account Luongo's recapture penalty so I don't think it's fair to say they didn't expect it or take it into account. As for fighting the penalty, I would assume other teams have tried before going the trade assets to dump LTIR contract route.

Eriksson not moved – One can only hope that Eriksson could be moved without giving much in the way of assets or taking on much dead weight. As for getting in on the James Neal deal, like Lucic, Neal had an extra year remaining. Neal likely needs a top 6 role to be effective. I thought about it but I'm fine with not making that deal.

Boeser not Signed - "Benning appears to holding the line which is smart IMO. Really have to let this play out before much can be said." Yep.

OVERALL RATING

I'll give an overall grade of B-. I think the Benning did what he set out to do. Like Harman Dayal pointed out, Benning's moves strategically addressed some of Canucks' weaknesses last season.
 

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Don't understand the idea you can only make judgments after the future results are in. Surely judgments can be based on past history and are all the time. Aren't nearly all contracts made on expectations based on past experience. Right now people are trying to determine what Boeser should make . That will be based on his past. People will comment on whether the deal is appropriate or not based on their past knowledge of Boeser.

What some seem to be suggesting is that people can't give an opinion on a trade, an acquisition or any other matter until the we get the long term results of the transaction. If that is so, might as well shut down most Sports shows and most boards such as this.

Saying that we can't use the past to speculate on the future seems ludicrous to me. Might be that we can't give out the final mark till the final test is written but saying we can't predict the possible result of an action is absurd. Given the example above - we can't give a Grade 12 mark till the course is complete but we can absolutely speculate that a student who aces Grade 11 History is far more likely to get a better grade than someone who barely passed the Grade 11 course.

Be interesting to see a person who went thru life never basing actions or opinions on the past knowledge or experience. Apparently there is some on this board.

On Miller (unfortunately I have friend who is named J.T. Smith which helps explain the brain freeze) - Miller, to my knowledge, has mostly played on the 2nd or 3rd line (did play some on Rangers top line with Zuccarello but also slipped to the 4th at times in Tampa). Describing him as middle 6 player seems fair to me. Maybe on the Canucks, he is on the top line but that's not his history. My questions on Miller are if he was such a good player why was he traded to Tampa when New York was definitely in a building stage. He'd had good production but had tailed off and then was moved. And why did he slip so badly down the line up in Tampa as the following article points out.

First Look: Canucks Give Up Too Much For J.T. Miller

But, as I tried to state, the main reason I down grade the deal is that Benning needed to drive a harder bargain given the needs of Tampa. Miller may be a bona vide NHL player but Benning apparently just accepted the deal on the spot rather than demanding more when Tampa needed the deal more than the Canucks. And he gave up a lot - especially considering the Canucks are likely still in a building stage.
 

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