Management Grade the deadline & Sweeney's moves/non moves

[Gee Wally]

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[Confound]

Continuing from the other thread, if I'm Sweeney and Krug's looking for somewhere between 4.5-5.0 million I would definitely consider trading him. If Morrow keeps progressing he makes Krug somewhat expendable, also with Lauzon and Zboril in the pipe were good on LHD prospects.

 

[chizzler]

Continuing from the other thread, if I'm Sweeney and Krug's looking for somewhere between 4.5-5.0 million I would definitely consider trading him. If Morrow keeps progressing he makes Krug somewhat expendable, also with Lauzon and Zboril in the pipe were good on LHD prospects.

Too risky and too early for the latter two.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Continuing from the other thread, if I'm Sweeney and Krug's looking for somewhere between 4.5-5.0 million I would definitely consider trading him. If Morrow keeps progressing he makes Krug somewhat expendable, also with Lauzon and Zboril in the pipe were good on LHD prospects.

if you spend 5 mill on a dman you need to be comfortable with him being a top pair guy at playoff time. injuries happen and guys need to be able to stepup.

im still not sold on being comfortable with krug in a 3-4 pairing.

love his pp ability but i think we cant afford to pay this guy. i think we need to replace him with yandle even if it costs us more

 

[Confound]

if you spend 5 mill on a dman you need to be comfortable with him being a top pair guy at playoff time. injuries happen and guys need to be able to stepup.

im still not sold on being comfortable with krug in a 3-4 pairing.

love his pp ability but i think we cant afford to pay this guy. i think we need to replace him with yandle even if it costs us more

Yup.

You don't pay a PP specialist that money, that's a solid #2 dman money.

I think Yandle would be a good fit here, and he's prafticed with the team for years in the off seasons so he is familiar with the team.

Yandle-Shatty
Chara-C.Miller
Morrow-McQuiad

Trade Seids, let Liles go, possibly trade Krug plus whatever to land Shattenkirk.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

my advice for our dmen... make sure we sign yandle and slot him as our new pp guy

let chara run out his contract as our leader and top pk guy

let the kids battle for third pair to keep our costs down... that is the left side taken care of

on the right side hope seidenberg bounces back

let mcquaid be our tough guy

trade 1 of these 2 if an upgrade is available

hope colin miller continues to improve

allow the kids to continue to battle for jobs

this leaves krug on the outs as the one high priced ticket that might have trade value but doesnt fit our needs. liles doesnt enter my thoughts at all. i am hoping the kid from russia can play. im afraid time is running out for morrow.

 

[Flannelman]

5 million now isn't 5 million several years ago. Hell, Wideman makes more than 5million.

Don't worry about Krugs cash. Worry about dropping Hayes and Seidenberg.

 

[DKH]

Upping it to A- after having a month to see effects of guys brought in and how Loui has helped them on cusp of playoffs

No Loui no playoffs

With Trochek out for next month if Boston gets third and plays Cats taking B's in 5 or 6

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

5 million now isn't 5 million several years ago. Hell, Wideman makes more than 5million.

Don't worry about Krugs cash. Worry about dropping Hayes and Seidenberg.

love him or hate him, several nhl coaches have played wideman 22-25 mins per night for the past decade. he even got mentioned in sports illustrated as a norris candidate.

krug has a long way to go before he becomes the next denis wideman. for what its worth i was sad to see wideman go but hes always been overpaid imo ever since then. 40-50 point dmen get paid in this nhl. krug will get paid. i just dont want it to be us on the hook

 

[Flannelman]

krug has a long way to go before he becomes the next denis wideman

Sell me. Cause I ain't buying that.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Upping it to A- after having a month to see effects of guys brought in and how Loui has helped them on cusp of playoffs

No Loui no playoffs

With Trochek out for next month if Boston gets third and plays Cats taking B's in 5 or 6

i understand how alot of us are changing our grades but to me this is still a question on fundamental philosophy. clearly the trades were marginal upgrades... keeping loui prevented a huge hole... but we were not a cup favorite before and we still arent.

i felt from day 1 we couldnt trade loui and we would make some marginal upgrades so sweeny did what was the right thing to do in my opinion.

he didnt exceed expectations though. the guys have been improvements but thats what they were supposed to be. to me the top grade would require sweeny to have been exceptional and blow us all away. trading for shattenkirk migh be worthy of an A.

trading lucic for 2 firsts was an A. getting only 1 first for hamilton wasnt an A even if it was the righg move to make.

sweeny has made mostly right moves so far imho but he hasnt blown me away for the most part. chiarelli was like that... he didnt blow me away either. but he won a cup.

i hope sweeny also will win a cup. if he does i will give him an A but im not going to change my grade based on 10 regular season games where we have a losing record

 

[Bad Puck Bounce]

You don't move a player like Krug over a difference in about a million when you have players that are clearly expendable. You move on from Seidenberg, Connolly, Hayes, who ever, far before Krug.


Bruins have been burned on keeping the wrong players in the past. Krug shouldn't be the next. He's having a down year but you don't move him because of that. Krug is 100% a top 4 defenseman.


4-5 million isn't what it used to be. Good luck getting a guy that can play top 3/4 minutes for under 5 million. Number 2 defenseman are starting at 5.5/6.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

You don't move a player like Krug over a difference in about a million when you have players that are clearly expendable. You move on from Seidenberg, Connolly, Hayes, who ever, far before Krug.


Bruins have been burned on keeping the wrong players in the past. Krug shouldn't be the next. He's having a down year but you don't move him because of that. Krug is 100% a top 4 defenseman.


4-5 million isn't what it used to be. Good luck getting a guy that can play top 3/4 minutes for under 5 million. Number 2 defenseman are starting at 5.5/6.

is there anything wrong moving on from all these guys? my question is seidenbergs contract movable? i think connolly hayes are movable. but we are hoping one of these guys will learn to play big. they are big. we need big. im pretty sure both these guys wont be dealt

i hope no one says krug sucks. he doesnt suck. hes just small. obviously he has high end offensive ability. hopefully no one is saying get rid of krug without replacing that high end offensive ability.

we are lucky that we have a few small lh shot dmen in the system that have high end offensive skill. unfortunately none of these guys are likely to end up top 4 dmen either.

if we dont have to pay these guys its ok to dress them as 5/6 dmen and let them help our pp. its not ok to pay krug 5 mill if he is only a 5/6 pp specalist.

krug looked ok as a 3/4 guy half the season. but he clearly struggled half the season. this is a huge problem if he wants a 5-6 year contract. id happily bring him back for another season and hope he can improve but if he demands a long term deal than we simply cant risk it imo

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Sell me. Cause I ain't buying that.

hope springs eternal... what is shiny and new is full of endless possibility. widemsn used to be shiny and new. when he was he was a 15 goal guy and 50 points.

he was what we hope krug will be.

eventually wideman had a long career as a 10-15 goal shaky defending 3-4 pairing dman. whenever he needed a job some nhl gm was willing to pay him 5 mill. some nhl coach was willing to skate him 22-25 mins per night.

i get it that we think wideman sucks. i get it that your team needs to be improved if wideman is one of your best 3 dmen. but it is what it is... real nhl gm and real nhl coaches have shown us this is who wideman is in the real nhl

i wouldnt be happy if wideman replaced krug. im not saying wideman is good enough. im only saying krug hasnt proven hes as good as wideman yet. to me, krug hasnt proven hes good enough either.

i would rather be talking about yandle instead of wideman or krug. to me yandle is a good deal better than wideman or krug

 

[finchster]

I sign Krug for 5 million for as long as possible. 5m today is 4 million when the Bruins won the cup (cap inflation).

 

[wintersej]

I don't think people are considering the expansion draft enough. It's hard because we don't know the specifics but Sweeney has to make best guesses.

 

[riverhawkey91]

You don't move a player like Krug over a difference in about a million when you have players that are clearly expendable. You move on from Seidenberg, Connolly, Hayes, who ever, far before Krug.


Bruins have been burned on keeping the wrong players in the past. Krug shouldn't be the next. He's having a down year but you don't move him because of that. Krug is 100% a top 4 defenseman.

4-5 million isn't what it used to be. Good luck getting a guy that can play top 3/4 minutes for under 5 million. Number 2 defenseman are starting at 5.5/6.

Definitely with you in all of what you said with the exception of the bolded. I actually don't think Krug is having a down year, I think it just looks that way because his scoring is down. He's up 2 mins from last year (4 over the last 2 yrs) in average TOI (just 30 seconds below the 22-25 range that AOF mentioned for Wideman) and is obviously playing a much more involved defensive role. I think the dip in scoring is just a natural by-product of learning to balance his defense with his scoring....once he finds a better medium between the two, he'll definitely be worth that 5 mil per in today's NHL.

Edit - just noticed that Krug has had 24 and 26 minute games within the last 5 games (both regulation games)...TOI-wise he's already getting a bit of that trust from Claude.

 

[BB88]

Upping it to A- after having a month to see effects of guys brought in and how Loui has helped them on cusp of playoffs

No Loui no playoffs

With Trochek out for next month if Boston gets third and plays Cats taking B's in 5 or 6

B's are currently out of playoff spot with 1 extra game and you are stepping it up to A-?
Isn't that a bit too early, shows more of them not being contenders and wasting assets to fight for possible 1 round win.

Also Florida leads the Atlantic, and if they make it to 2nd round Trochek will be back, theres some kind of chance that he is ready for game 1 on the 1st round already.

 

[Pia8988]

B's are currently out of playoff spot with 1 extra game and you are stepping it up to A-?
Isn't that a bit too early, shows more of them not being contenders and wasting assets to fight for possible 1 round win.

Also Florida leads the Atlantic, and if they make it to 2nd round Trochek will be back, theres some kind of chance that he is ready for game 1 on the 1st round already.

Has adding Liles and Stempniak while retaining Loui not aided this Bruins team? You are starting to make me wonder if you wouldn't be more excited if the Bruins were where Montreal was at this moment with a top 10 pick.

 

[BB88]

Has adding Liles and Stempniak while retaining Loui not aided this Bruins team?

No way enough to be contenders, which should have been the goal with their deadline moves, they did nothing to help the future so winning should be the goal.

Not mediocrity.

 

[Pia8988]

No way enough to be contenders, which should have been the goal with their deadline moves, they did nothing to help the future so winning should be the goal.

Not mediocrity.

They can win. They have a chance to beat either Tampa or Florida if they meet them in the playoffs.

 

[ODAAT]

Continuing from the other thread, if I'm Sweeney and Krug's looking for somewhere between 4.5-5.0 million I would definitely consider trading him. If Morrow keeps progressing he makes Krug somewhat expendable, also with Lauzon and Zboril in the pipe were good on LHD prospects.

I like what I`ve seen from Morrow but he isn`t close to being able to provide what TK does in all 3 zones

The market will set the price, and I believe TK will easily earn 4-5 mill

Puck moving D-men who play solid minutes don`t come cheap. I love the guy, plays his guts out, envision him with a letter on his jersey down the road

 

[Buckets and Gloves]

They can win. They have a chance to beat either Tampa or Florida if they meet them in the playoffs.

Lol

We need a favourable match up + get in playoffs first

Sweeney failed and if/when this team misses playoffs a lot of crow will be served.

Get your plate ready.

 

[Marchy63]

The moves he made in the offseason were for the future and even though some didn't agree at the time, it is starting to look like the right moves for a team that is restocking the prospect pool. The moves he made at the deadline were to help this team win in the playoffs, not just make it to the playoffs but to maybe win a round or two. Sweeney added picks and prospects in the offseason and he spent picks and prospects at the deadline.

Now if the Bruins make the playoffs and manage to win a round or two, then the deadline moves (and keeping Eriksson) he made paid off and mission accomplished. However, if the Bruins go from being first in the Atlantic to out of the playoffs, then you have no other choice than to say he failed with his deadline moves. Add to that if Loui decides to test free agency and signs somewhere else it will have been a disaster.

I was surprised by the moves he made on deadline day, but I don't feel he gave up too much so I would grade his moves as B if they make the playoffs (as they didn't really add/subtract too much), but it would drop to an automatic F if they miss the playoffs for being kinda buyers (trying to add to the team, but not committing fully) instead of sellers (making trades for the betterment of the team in the future).

 

[ranold26]

I stand by my grade of C and the rationale behind it.
Not a fan of what happened on trade deadline day.