Speculation: Going with 11+7

[Henkka]

This has been interesting case at current season.

It looks like for certain, very important games they use this 11+7 formation, and we have won all the games.

First time it was on use against Tampa, then at Ottawa and now against Bruins.

vs. TBL 6-3 win
at OTT, 2-5 win
vs. BOS, 5-4 win

It somehow is good for defencemen to get less wear and better for forwards to get some extra push. Also it will mess the opposite team matchups totally, with the changing lines and D-pairs.

It has also been common on all these "11+7" wins, that it will include a bad start, but on the final 40-50 minutes Red Wings takes the game.

They didn't really have anything locked on except Walman-Seider and DeBrincat-Larkin-Raymond against the Bruins. Lines changing all the time on other shifts. Kostin and Czarnik really didn't play together (just 2 minutes). They were mostly lonely adds with other 2 better players from Top9.

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[norrisnick]

Is "very important games" code for "a forward was a game-time decision and couldn't go"? because that's all it is. They haven't scratched a healthy forward yet to play 11-7 except the day the AHL call up was coming off less than a full day rest w/ travel.

 

[GoBoltz56]

The old Jon Cooper special.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

This has been interesting case at current season.

It looks like for certain, very important games they use this 11+7 formation, and we have won all the games.

First time it was on use against Tampa, then at Ottawa and now against Bruins.

vs. TBL 6-3 win
at OTT, 2-5 win
vs. BOS, 5-4 win

It somehow is good for defencemen to get less wear and better for forwards to get some extra push. Also it will mess the opposite team matchups totally, with the changing lines and D-pairs.

It has also been common on all these "11+7" wins, that it will include a bad start, but on the final 40-50 minutes Red Wings takes the game.

They didn't really have anything locked on except Walman-Seider and DeBrincat-Larkin-Raymond against the Bruins. Lines changing all the time on other shifts. Kostin and Czarnik really didn't play together (just 2 minutes). They were mostly lonely adds with other 2 better players from Top9.

I’m ok with it.

Minor change I’d make is ditch Czarnik for Fischer (eww) or find a solid 3rd line level winger.

Run Larkin, Veleno, Compher down the middle. Odd double shift for any of our 5 centers because we still have Copp and Ras.

 

[Henkka]

11+7 record is 3-0-0
12+6 record is 4-4-1.

Something to think about.

 

[raymond23]

I think it makes a ton of sense with our roster

 

[Henkka]

Another win.

So far:

DET vs. NJD 4-0
DET vs. BOS 5-4
DET @ OTT 5-2
DET vs. TBL 6-4

4-0-0 record with 11+7 roster.

5-6-3 record with 12+6 roster.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Not a fan of 11-7, but the results are too good to ignore.

You think a plan of getting all of our mid to sucky level vet D on the ice would not work.

Got to go to this a little more on the regular as long as it keeps working. Won't work forever, but ride it while it is hot.

 

[RRhoads]

Makes sense to go 11-7 for Lalonde. It's the only thing that makes him mix up the lines.

 

[Ezekial]

Not a fan of 11-7, but the results are too good to ignore.

You think a plan of getting all of our mid to sucky level vet D on the ice would not work.

Got to go to this a little more on the regular as long as it keeps working. Won't work forever, but ride it while it is hot.

Same, I was a vocal resistor to using 7 D, especially ones who've played so little together, but we've won all 4 of those games and those are 4 solid hockey squads, no bum teams in that group. Not saying going 11-7 is the reason we won, but it's hard to ignore the results.

But, as norrisnick said earlier in the month, these weren't highly calculated decisions to go 11-7, they were last minute lineup decisions due to injury and Kostin's situation.

 

[The Flying Octopus]

Is "very important games" code for "a forward was a game-time decision and couldn't go"? because that's all it is. They haven't scratched a healthy forward yet to play 11-7 except the day the AHL call up was coming off less than a full day rest w/ travel.

Grumpy Pants

 

[Henkka]

Think the schedule will give the timing when to go with 11+7. Yesterday forwards were full rested, so they can have extra minutes and still skate and grind well. The speed was great vs. Devils.

But on a game stretch, you need fresh bodies and maybe larger forward rink.

But what I like on this, is the data it will collect. Lines are changing all the time, as well as D-pairs. From these games, you get more mixed = better data to analyze players. They had more teammates and partners, and are not products of their partners. Changing teammates shift after shift does that.

 

[SwedeChristoffer]

Think the schedule will give the timing when to go with 11+7. Yesterday forwards were full rested, so they can have extra minutes and still skate and grind well. The speed was great vs. Devils.

Kostin was benched for doing something off-ice.

I think you are seeing a pattern which is not there.

They will go with 6 defensemen , unless a forward is injured or otherwise unavailable.

Obviously due to the success they might change this, but so far they have preferred 6 defensemen.

 

[RedWingzz]

definitely interesting, although 4 games isnt the largest sample size. Maybe the extra D helps shelter the minutes for the Petry/Holl/Chiarot group, and helps them..?

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

definitely interesting, although 4 games isnt the largest sample size. Maybe the extra D helps shelter the minutes for the Petry/Holl/Chiarot group, and helps them..?

That’s what I was thinking too. It allows him to spread the minutes around on D depending on who is playing well and gets more minutes to some of the better forwards.

 

[Henkka]

definitely interesting, although 4 games isnt the largest sample size. Maybe the extra D helps shelter the minutes for the Petry/Holl/Chiarot group, and helps them..?

That could be the one thing. Usually, you are locked on certain pairs, if you go with 6D and 3 pairs. But defensive end zone happens, you are gonna ice Petry anyways. Then you are gonna decide ebtween Gostisbehere and Määttä... you put Määttä on the ice.

Same situation, but it's offensive zone faceoff. You put Ghost there.. and so on.

Maybe it gives some flexibility, that if you just had you best defensive D-pair on ice, and you have to choose from weakness pairs, you have some extra options there, who are rested.

And at same time, there has been talks how some 4th line forwards have struggled, if they get only 10-11min of ice-time. When going only with 11 guys, everybody will play a bit more. And when the WORST forward, the 12th forward is missing totally (kind of benched) from the roster, the forward core is better. Any Top11 forward playing those extra shifts from 12th forward, make that 12th forward "spot" better, with a better changing player.