Goaltender Errata and Minutia

[Doctor No]

I'd been putting items like this in my research thread, but no one reads or responds there (and in another thread, Mike even inferred that my research isn't useful).

Anyhow, this is a place for interesting goalie articles or content that doesn't belong in that thread, or in the backups thread.

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[Doctor No]

I'll start here - this is a great three-full page article on (then) Binghamton Whalers' goaltender, and current Detroit Red Wings general manager, Ken Holland.

First page here, second and third pages (with some nice mask shots) are in the Twitter thread.

 

[Doctor No]

Article from late in Martin Brodeur's rookie year (New York Daily News, February 10, 1994).

 

[Doctor No]

Ed Giacomin, on his first game after being claimed on waivers by Detroit (against the Rangers, no less).

 

[Doctor No]

One-game Detroit goalers.

 

[Canadiens1958]

One-game Detroit goalers.

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November 29, 1963 Montreal Gazette game report:

The Montreal Gazette - Recherche d'archives de Google Actualités

 

[Doctor No]

Here are four articles (three from the Calgary Herald, one from the Philadelphia Inquirer) on the Marc D'Amour controversy regarding water bottle usage on the goaltender's net in January of 1986.

The issue appears to have first come to a head during the 1985 Stanley Cup Finals when Pelle Lindbergh was doing it (although Joe Pelletier credits Lindbergh's teammate, Bob Froese, for starting it).

Anyhow, here's the story of D'Amour and his dehydration (tweets are in sequence).

 

[Doctor No]

So Mikko Koskinen wears #19, which is an unusual number for a North American goaltender. In fact, I can find only one instance - one game - where another goaltender has worn #19 in the NHL:



I've got second-hand knowledge that the Colorado Avalanche television broadcast last night mentioned three goaltenders who have worn #19 in NHL history. Presumably, two are Koskinen and Dion, but I cannot find a third. Any ideas?

 

[Doctor No]

Related: Dion's masks are legitimately the coolest in the history of the NHL, and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong.

 

[Killion]

Related: Dion's masks are legitimately the coolest in the history of the NHL, and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong.

Mask's sucked. Cheap horror story.

 

[Doctor No]

Mask's sucked. Cheap horror story.

Were the Lefebvre masks particularly brittle? I don't remember them as so, but you'd know better than I.

 

[Killion]

Were the Lefebvre masks particularly brittle? I don't remember them as so, but you'd know better than I.

After my day. No idea. But... In terms of arts, crafts and safety?... . Lefebvre challenged.

 

[Canadiens1958]

So Mikko Koskinen wears #19, which is an unusual number for a North American goaltender. In fact, I can find only one instance - one game - where another goaltender has worn #19 in the NHL:



I've got second-hand knowledge that the Colorado Avalanche television broadcast last night mentioned three goaltenders who have worn #19 in NHL history. Presumably, two are Koskinen and Dion, but I cannot find a third. Any ideas?

At the developmental level thru junior, with smaller rosters, the two goalies usually wore #s 1 & 19.

 

[BadgerBruce]

At the developmental level thru junior, with smaller rosters, the two goalies usually wore #s 1 & 19.

Correct. Jerseys were the property of the club/association and often used for several seasons, the numbers following a clear sequence. Even jersey size was often connected to the numbers — 1 and 19 the biggest jerseys in a set prior to the advent of “goalie cut” jerseys.

 

[Sanf]

So Mikko Koskinen wears #19, which is an unusual number for a North American goaltender. In fact, I can find only one instance - one game - where another goaltender has worn #19 in the NHL:



I've got second-hand knowledge that the Colorado Avalanche television broadcast last night mentioned three goaltenders who have worn #19 in NHL history. Presumably, two are Koskinen and Dion, but I cannot find a third. Any ideas?

Well I know that you know this, but it was pretty common goalie number in Europe due to smaller roster size (For example Jorma Valtonen). I Don´t know if that was the reason why Koskinen has chosen it. Markus Mattsson wore it before he left to NA, but seriously doubt he ever wore it in there. No reason to standout like that.

I don´t know the goalies who have wore it, but I would be surprised if there was only three in NHL history. I have seen some old NHL roster lists and the backup/reserve goalies got often the last (or one of the) number in team. For example in 1926-1927 Herb Stuart had 14. So did Frenchy Lacroix. Red McCusker had 12. Moe Roberts 16. (though only Stuart played that season) So when the rosters grew bigger I would guess someone had to wear 19?

 

[Doctor No]

Thank you, Sanf! This is great - I still haven't heard a good reason why Koskiken wears #19 - it seems to be a popular Finland-specific number (Teemu Lassila has also worn it).

 

[Doctor No]

Fun December 1968 interview with Flyers' netminders Bernie Parent and Doug Favell:

 

[Sanf]

Thank you, Sanf! This is great - I still haven't heard a good reason why Koskiken wears #19 - it seems to be a popular Finland-specific number (Teemu Lassila has also worn it).

Teemu inherited it from his father Hannu. I don´t know if Koskinen had family member/idol who played with #19.

Did not realize that Favell and Parent played together already in OHA...

 

[Doctor No]

Goaltenders with decisions in three mutual-elimination Stanley Cup playoff series in a single playoffs, 1968 to present:

Jonathan Quick (2014) 3-0
Tim Thomas (2011) 3-0

Felix Potvin (1993) 2-1
Patrick Roy (2002) 2-1

Goaltenders who won two mutual-elimination Stanley Cup playoff series in a single playoffs, 1968 to present:

Don Beaupre (1984)
Ben Bishop (2015)
Dan Bouchard (1982)
Martin Brodeur (2003)
Ken Dryden (1971)
Brian Elliott (2016)
Marc-Andre Fleury (2009)
Mario Gosselin (1985)
Jaroslav Halak (2010)
Glenn Hall (1968)
Curtis Joseph (2002)
Nikolai Khabibulin (2004)
Henrik Lundqvist (2012)
Henrik Lundqvist (2014)
Greg Millen (1986)
Felix Potvin (1993)
Jonathan Quick (2014) [won three]
Mike Richter (1994)
Patrick Roy (2001)
Patrick Roy (2002)
Tim Thomas (2011) [won three]
Mike Vernon (1986)
Cam Ward (2006)
Cam Ward (2009)

Since most of the responses will be of the form "why in the hell did you do that?", I was adding some fields to my database and noticed that Greg Millen did it in 1986 and wondered how rare it was.

 

[Robert Gordon Orr]

I've got second-hand knowledge that the Colorado Avalanche television broadcast last night mentioned three goaltenders who have worn #19 in NHL history. Presumably, two are Koskinen and Dion, but I cannot find a third. Any ideas?

The third one is Claude Bourque as a rookie with the Montreal Canadiens in 1938/39.
According to the Canadiens media guide Gerry McNeil also wore # 19 in 1949/50, but the NHL boxscores have him wearing # 1 and # 12.

Claude Bourque 1938

 

[Doctor No]

This is great - thank you, RGO! I see it now in the Canadiens' media guide as well.

 

[Doctor No]

Vancouver Province, September 19, 1978. Fun read on the Canucks' goaltending battle (Gary Bromley, Curt Ridley, Richard Martens, Glen Hanlon, Normand Lapointe). I won't spoil how it turned out.

 

[Doctor No]

Interesting situation here as I've been trying to untangle some of my game logs. Gary Laskoski is listed in all current media as having signed as a free agent with the Los Angeles Kings on October 22, 1982. The problem with that date is that Laskoski debuted for the Kings on October 6, and had played five NHL games by October 22:

Gary Laskoski

So when did he actually sign? Interesting note from the Los Angeles Times, October 21:

(Newspapers.com oddly enough doesn't have Page 4, so I can't see the rest of this story). This is corroborated by stories around Laskoski's October 6th debut, suggesting that he was with the Kings on a tryout contract and didn't actually sign until what I believe to be October 21st (not the 22nd), since the story was in papers continent-wide on the 22nd. Saskatoon Star-Phoenix:

I'm not familiar with the league rules regarding contracts around this time - it appears that Laskoski was on a PTO (or whatever the analog was in 1982). I welcome anyone with citations or primary sources here.

 

[Sanf]

I tried to figure that out few years ago. In this post there is clip which says that "Laskoski does not have a contract, and the Kings have until Oct. 21 to decide if they will:" Sadly I have missed the papers date. Interesting situation.

Worst NHL Goalie Ever

 

[Doctor No]

Very! I didn't know that this was a thing at that time.