I have seen several posts in the last few days insinuating that Giroux is not the point scoring machine we think he his... and that due to Lavi's 'up tempo' offence his points numbers are inflated a lot due to it... with the suggestion he would be a 70 point player or less over the last three years if he played in a standard system. I know many people think that Giroux would be an elite forward no matter what system he played in... and I was inclined to agree on face value, having watched Claude play, and a lot of other hockey players over the same period, it seemed obvious to me he is a top 10 forward in the league. So I thought I would try and check if my assumption was true. I was going to just post the results I got from looking into it... but I figured some people may want to see just how it was worked out... so I put in every step I did (even though some are just going through the motions and have little overall impact apart from confirmation the maths is right.) It is pretty long... I have potentially got a new job, (not 100% but close) and some other time consuming commitments coming up... that should be pretty demanding, so I will not be able to do much of this kind of stuff probably, so I thought I would do one last in depth one! It is in the attachments, hopefully that works! If not I will redo it as a pdf or sumat. Results: Giroux points: Flyers system: 86 points Standard system: 81 points Defensive system: 76 points So if the Flyers played a standard NHL offence Giroux would be a PPG player, that would still be top 10 in the NHL, and in 11-12 would have got ~94 points, 3rd in NHL PPG instead of 2nd. So if the Flyers played a defensive NHL offence Giroux would get ~76 points, top 15 in the NHL, and in 11-12 would have got ~89 points, still 3rd in the NHL. Also, all the players above him would suffer almost exactly proportionally the same if they were transposed into a less offensive system. As all off them are in pretty high scoring offences as well. Although all the top 7 scorers over the last 3 years play with one of the other top 7, apart from Giroux. Note: This is not to 'get one over' on people who said that or thought that at all... I genuinely was interested, and as shown, he may lose ten points in a defensive system. Once I got thinking about it, and how a system being pulled back would affect him, I thought 'well, why don't I try and find out!.' And I know, it is not perfect, but nothing like this really can be.