Giordano VS Phaneuf just for something different

[Burnie97]

Bergeron has 4.423 GF60 against Phaneuf vs 2.780 against all other d-men (data over 8 years). It's hard to separate out how much of this is his teammates vs Phaneuf himself ... but if Phaneuf were such a good shut down d-man I'd expect him to at least do better than the league average at preventing goals by these guys most of the time.

Player                 GF60 vs Phaneuf        GF60 vs Others

David Krejci                3.658                  2.907
Rick Nash                   3.052                  2.859
John Tavares                3.537                  2.750
*Eric Staal                 2.512                  2.716
*Martin St. Louis           2.895                  2.979
Max Pacioretty              3.276                  2.669
Patrice Bergeron            4.423                  2.780
Alex Ovechkin               3.410                  2.949
Daniel Sedin                4.245                  2.967
Steven Stamkos              3.526                  3.078
Claude Giroux               3.212                  2.728
Marian Gaborik              4.447                  3.013
*Jason Spezza               1.636                  3.081
Thomas Vanek                3.367                  2.989
*Sidney Crosby              2.151                  3.712
*Henrik Zetterberg          0.894                  2.850
Joe Thornton                5.187                  2.892
Tyler Seguin                3.838                  3.224

Also, to the guy claiming Phaneuf is good against star players, it would be the height of foolishness to assume that Phaneuf's bottom-of-the-league analytics are somehow *despite* performing well against top players. I mean you're basically saying he's good against stars, but defends like an ECHLer against 3rd and 4th lines, do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds?

Again original post wasn't againststar players . . . wheres Gios stats here . . . Jesus can ppl on this board keep it too what the post was about lol . Again one guy doesn't make an entire team. First pairing D man on a team no matter what play with the first line once in a while just saying. What was Kessel-Bozak-JVR line defensively last year? haha

 

[Damisoph]

Bergeron has 4.423 GF60 against Phaneuf vs 2.780 against all other d-men (data over 8 years). It's hard to separate out how much of this is his teammates vs Phaneuf himself ... but if Phaneuf were such a good shut down d-man I'd expect him to at least do better than the league average at preventing goals by these guys most of the time.

Player                 GF60 vs Phaneuf        GF60 vs Others

David Krejci                3.658                  2.907
Rick Nash                   3.052                  2.859
John Tavares                3.537                  2.750
*Eric Staal                 2.512                  2.716
*Martin St. Louis           2.895                  2.979
Max Pacioretty              3.276                  2.669
Patrice Bergeron            4.423                  2.780
Alex Ovechkin               3.410                  2.949
Daniel Sedin                4.245                  2.967
Steven Stamkos              3.526                  3.078
Claude Giroux               3.212                  2.728
Marian Gaborik              4.447                  3.013
*Jason Spezza               1.636                  3.081
Thomas Vanek                3.367                  2.989
*Sidney Crosby              2.151                  3.712
*Henrik Zetterberg          0.894                  2.850
Joe Thornton                5.187                  2.892
Tyler Seguin                3.838                  3.224

Also, to the guy claiming Phaneuf is good against star players, it would be the height of foolishness to assume that Phaneuf's bottom-of-the-league analytics are somehow *despite* performing well against top players. I mean you're basically saying he's good against stars, but defends like an ECHLer against 3rd and 4th lines, do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds?

Well first I didn't say Phaneuf was such a great shutdown D.

I was going to say, that's some pretty impressive performance against Crosby and Zetterberg, but then you said the #s are unreliable so....meh.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Not sure if serious.

Giordano is a legitimate #1 defenseman; Dion Phaneuf is a fringe top-pairing defenseman. They're not even remotely comparable.

This.

Giordano has a very good case for being one of the top 5 D-men in the league. He can do everything. He's terrific defensively, can move the puck up, is very effective shorthanded and on the power play, produces well even strength and is also incredibly steady and reliable in his performances.

There's a very good reason Gio is getting that big contract, and it's because he's just that good. Phaneuf got his contract based on what kind of role he had, not whether or not he performed in that role. Because he didn't.

 

[thewave]

Tell that to the Boston top line

That's not fair really tbh. He was on the ice what 6 of the last 10mins or something silly. They poured it on and the rest of the team was flat too. It wasn't all Dion.

 

[thewave]

Bergeron has 4.423 GF60 against Phaneuf vs 2.780 against all other d-men (data over 8 years). It's hard to separate out how much of this is his teammates vs Phaneuf himself ... but if Phaneuf were such a good shut down d-man I'd expect him to at least do better than the league average at preventing goals by these guys most of the time.

Player                 GF60 vs Phaneuf        GF60 vs Others

David Krejci                3.658                  2.907
Rick Nash                   3.052                  2.859
John Tavares                3.537                  2.750
*Eric Staal                 2.512                  2.716
*Martin St. Louis           2.895                  2.979
Max Pacioretty              3.276                  2.669
Patrice Bergeron            4.423                  2.780
Alex Ovechkin               3.410                  2.949
Daniel Sedin                4.245                  2.967
Steven Stamkos              3.526                  3.078
Claude Giroux               3.212                  2.728
Marian Gaborik              4.447                  3.013
*Jason Spezza               1.636                  3.081
Thomas Vanek                3.367                  2.989
*Sidney Crosby              2.151                  3.712
*Henrik Zetterberg          0.894                  2.850
Joe Thornton                5.187                  2.892
Tyler Seguin                3.838                  3.224

Also, to the guy claiming Phaneuf is good against star players, it would be the height of foolishness to assume that Phaneuf's bottom-of-the-league analytics are somehow *despite* performing well against top players. I mean you're basically saying he's good against stars, but defends like an ECHLer against 3rd and 4th lines, do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds?

Pull up the last 5yrs. And the look at the same names vs some other top defenders. I am not saying he is better than Gio or some others. I am saying he is pretty good not complete trash like people say.

Don't forget the vs others stats are against guys with so many fewer mins. To do that justice you need to eliminate the players with under 200mins or so played over the past 5yrs.

ECHLer? Jeez man, who is Dions 1st pairing partners? We played a run and gun system forever. We had bad tending, a bad team too. It's like here you go Dion we got you Mike Komisarek and some 4-5 D to play with have at it.

 

[TMLegend]

This is an absolute joke. No comparison to be made. Giordano likely would of won the Norris the last 2 seasons if he could have stayed healthy and seems to be getting better as he gets older. The guy is a stud.

Phaneuf's game has been declining for a few seasons now and may not be even a top pairing guy anymore.

While I'm not crazy on Giordano at the likely 8-9M per he's going to get on his next contract, it's would still be far better value than Phaneuf at 7M for 6 more seasons.