GDT: Game Today? Devils @ BJs

[njdevils1982]

I think the Devils next goal will involve Miles Wood physically ingesting a puck and then skating at mach 3 through a goalie and into the net. Somehow Josefson will get injured during the play.

oh ****,

a teammate of mine back in our soccer tournament days kept saying he was going to pull off "the basket of eggs"

best part of this is he was the best player/most talented also…..but no ego, genuine person, just a great player all around


but he did pull it off.

the "basket" was trapping the ball with your jersey and running down the field with it….never touching it with a handball, just the fabric, weaving by players essentially


the ref blew it down quick……he took the yellow with a great smile on his face.

benny's a legend…stopped playing from a real bad knee

 

[Bleedred]

All I do know is that if Disco Dan becomes available, Shero better once again opt to not bring him on.

He's like the only coach that has been unable to get his team to outplay us just one frickin time this year.

 

[Emperoreddy]

All I do know is that if Disco Dan becomes available, Shero better once again opt to not bring him on.

He's like the only coach that has been unable to get his team to outplay us just one frickin time this year.

Much rather Hynes over Disco Dan.

 

[kiwidevil]

IMO yes. Absolutely. Because that is the game you want to teach them. Is having them learn turtle hockey going to benefit anything in the long run at all? At least if you continue to play the style you want to play when you have the players to do it, you can teach the few here now who might be able to play that system. You also weed out the ones who can't. I just don't understand what losing games playing a style you don't want to play long term accomplishes over losing games playing a style you do want to play long term.

Great post.
Skeletor seems to be playing for his next coaching gig as a defensive specialist or something.

He seems to be trying to save face, rather than coach anything.

 

[Bleedred]

Much rather Hynes over Disco Dan.

I agree, Dan is definitely worse than Hynes. Which is why I say that Hynes isn't so bad that he can't coach a team to the playoffs if he had a great roster. Randy Carlyle and Bob Hartley heve won the cup as head coaches before. It happens sometimes. There's no doubt in my mind that Hynes has done nothing to make this team any better though, even if you argue he hasn't done anything to make it worse. I'm very confident in saying that and there's a lot of things I'm not confident on.

Great post.
Skeletor seems to be playing for his next coaching gig as a defensive specialist or something.

He seems to be trying to save face, rather than coach anything.

Is he really a defensive coach though? We regularly allow 30, 32, 35 shots or more a game. Nothing defensive about that.

Tonight wasn't one of those, neither was the last game against the Blue Jackets on Sunday. I really see nothing defensive about Hynes style of coaching though.

Maybe last year you could say he was. We weren't bad defensively, we just couldn't generate scoring chances against a high school team sometimes.

This year, we're awful defensively, for the most part. And we STILL can't get scoring chances more games than not. Any old schmuck can coach that style of play. There is nothing earth shattering going on here from Hynes.

 

[MadDevil]

So Hynes adjusted the style of play because he realized we didn't have the personnel to play the up tempo system (which most of the board said he needed to do), but now that the season is over he should go back to the style of play that resulted in us getting our ***** caved in every night?

 

[Bleedred]

So Hynes adjusted the style of play because he realized we didn't have the personnel to play the up tempo system (which most of the board said he needed to do), but now that the season is over he should go back to the style of play that resulted in us getting our ***** caved in every night?

I never said he should go back to that.

I just said that I don't really think he's a defensive coach, as even these days, we don't play very good defense at all.

We still have way too many games where we look horrendous defensively and the offense is just as bad.

Boston game for example.

 

[MadDevil]

I never said he should go back to that.

I just said that I don't really think he's a defensive coach, as even these days, we don't play very good defense at all.

We still have way too many games where we look horrendous defensively and the offense is just as bad.

Boston game for example.

I don't think we really know how much of an offensive or defensive coach he is. We played incredibly low event hockey last year, but clearly wanted to go more up tempo this year, with miserable results. We went back to the turtle game to stop the bleeding, and it worked for a while. Now we've got like 6 guys in the lineup who have been in Albany at one point or another, and predictably the offense sucks.

I don't think going to a more up tempo style for 16 games is going to do much other than let the kids feel what's it like to get curbstomped at the NHL level. Just ride it out, do whatever we're going to do at the draft and in free agency, then figure out what kind of team we have and make adjustments accordingly.

 

[Based Anime Fan]

What soul-crushing Devils archetype did this game match?

- Maclean dumpster fire?
- Lemaire false hope?
- Deboer useless possession-tough building?
- Sutter collapse against the Canes?
- Hynes regular-old miss-the-net, soul crusher?

- Wasn't MacLean... he literally had nothing to work with. The team now has soem players worth a damn.
- Lemaire, while he had his peculiarities, could get a lot out of a lacklustre roster. Case in point: Post-MacLean.
- Deboer's team at least had possession and shots going for them, plus the defense was somewhat competent.
- Sutter was a good coach. The team literally **** themselves in that series.

Therefor this is a typical Hynes soul crusher. Though, to be fair, it was a close game. I think if we had Schneider in net, we may have won.

 

[Bleedred]

- Wasn't MacLean... he literally had nothing to work with. The team now has soem players worth a damn.
- Lemaire, while he had his peculiarities, could get a lot out of a lacklustre roster. Case in point: Post-MacLean.
- Deboer's team at least had possession and shots going for them, plus the defense was somewhat competent.
- Sutter was a good coach. The team literally **** themselves in that series.

Therefor this is a typical Hynes soul crusher. Though, to be fair, it was a close game. I think if we had Schneider in net, we may have won.

I thought Kinkaid played well, didn't really have a chance on the goal against, despite not having his stick, which really wouldn't have made much of a difference on the one timer glove side.

Best case scenario in this game was probably a 1-0 OT loss, as my confidence in us winning OT games or even getting to as far as the shootout is at an all time low.

The forwards on the MacLean team were better than this, but some of the defensemen early on were pretty terrible. He also had a Marty that was just entering his decline at the end of the season prior. While even in a bad season for Schneider, he's been pretty average.

 

[MadDevil]

MacLean didn't have a great roster, but if you're going to say Kovalchuk, Elias, Zajac and Langenbrunner coming off back-to-back 60+ point seasons was "nothing to work with" I don't know how you can say Hynes has more to work with.

 

[Bleedred]

MacLean didn't have a great roster, but if you're going to say Kovalchuk, Elias, Zajac and Langenbrunner coming off back-to-back 60+ point seasons was "nothing to work with" I don't know how you can say Hynes has more to work with.

Langs was finished at being anything better than a 3rd liner by that point, though he probably wasn't as good as his last two seasons with Parise before that. I often use him as an example when people complain that Zajac never hit 60 points again. That Zajac probably wasn't as good at offense as he was those seasons, as Langenbrunner had two of his best seasons in the league those two years also and at ages 33 and 34. By the MacLean year, Langs wasn't even as useful as Arnott and wasn't much better than Rolston by that point.

But agree on the rest.

 

[Balance]

lol Maclean had nothing to work with?

Maclean had the best NJD team post 2003. If you calculate the Devils win-loss record from Lemaire through the end of the 2012 season you'd have a first place team in the Eastern conference.

Maclean is the all time worst coach in Devils history, by far.

 

[Zippy316]

lol Maclean had nothing to work with?

Maclean had the best NJD team post 2003. If you calculate the Devils win-loss record from Lemaire through the end of the 2012 season you'd have a first place team in the Eastern conference.

Maclean is the all time worst coach in Devils history, by far.

Not disagreeing with you, but MacLean was also thrown a pretty ****** hand with that whole cap space debacle and having to start the season with like 18 players.

Doesn't excuse the fact that every single player we had woefully underperformed under him though.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

So Hynes adjusted the style of play because he realized we didn't have the personnel to play the up tempo system (which most of the board said he needed to do), but now that the season is over he should go back to the style of play that resulted in us getting our ***** caved in every night?

If the uptempo style is the one he plans on using moving forward, then yes.

Acclimate the players, don't try and eek out 5 useless wins at the end of the season.

 

[Devils090]

MacLean scratched Kovalchuk, the man was a complete idiot

 

[Zippy316]

MacLean scratched Kovalchuk, the man was a complete idiot

The revisionist history here is just mind-blowing at times.

Kovalchuk was benched for missing (or being late, it was one or the other) to team meetings.

 

[Balance]

To even refresh on Maclean people predicted the Devils to top the conference that year. You had Kovalchuk, Parise, Zajac, Elias, Langenbrunner, Rolston, Arnott, and Zubrus. That is a pretty heavy top 9 with all the guys on top of their game. In fact, I think it was in the Dallas game that Parise admitted he thought that getting 100 pts with Kovalchuk and Zajac was going to happen. If you watched the games, Maclean employed no system/style at all for the team. Every game, no tactic whatsoever. There was no system, nor structure it just seemed like Maclean let the veterans choose to do whatever they wanted because he wasn't confident or competent enough to teach them to play any style.

Then, the lineup was cut down with Langenbrunner and Arnott being traded away and Parise being injured. Even with the much worse version of the lineup (With Nick Palmieri on the first line) Lemaire gave the team a style and they had that amazing run in 2011 to finish out the season. It was mostly because Kovalchuk carried the team on his back but the reality was that the lineup could have won a cup. Kovalchuk was pretty much scapegoated at the beginning of the season with his play but the reality was that it was all of Maclean's fault.

 

[Burner Account]

lol Nick Palmieri wow

 

[Devils090]

Such a shame we never got to see a full season of Parise-Zajac-Kovy

 

[Emperoreddy]

If Hall is a "complementary" player then you guys are legit never going to be happy.

You would find ways to bash McDavid if he was a Devil

 

[Zippy316]

Such a shame we never got to see a full season of Parise-Zajac-Kovy

We got to see them in a playoff run so I will take that.

 

[Zippy316]

If Hall is a "complementary" player then you guys are legit never going to be happy.

You would find ways to bash McDavid if he was a Devil

Complimentary in the fact that he shouldn't be the focal point of your offense. In reality, no winger should. Look at Kessel in TOR versus Kessel in PIT. Look at Kane in CHI playing apart from Toews. Look at how Kovalchuk/Hossa/Heatley was in Atlanta.

Ideally, Devils have Hall driving play on a scoring line with Zacha/McLeod/2017 1st round pick on another line doing the same. Make it a pick your poison match-up for the other team.

 

[Bleedred]

lol Maclean had nothing to work with?

Maclean had the best NJD team post 2003. If you calculate the Devils win-loss record from Lemaire through the end of the 2012 season you'd have a first place team in the Eastern conference.

Maclean is the all time worst coach in Devils history, by far.

I'm not sure if it was the best roster we've had since 2003. The defense corps on that team was pretty meh too, though we were icing Mike Mottau about a year earlier in a ''Shutdown'' role.

I think another thing with that team was the decline of a few players, who I guess weren't really expected to decline going into that season.

Langenbrunner being the most sudden one.