GDT: Game 38: Red Wings at sharks 10:30 pm et 1/2/24 (ESPN+, BSD)

[FMichael]

say what you will, but we were dog shit for over a month and we are still only 3 points out from 3rd in atlantic. January needs to be a 9 win month minimum. We got one, now we need to make LA and others earn there points.

Indeed...It's not like the Wings "can't" do it since we saw them at their best in October and November, but more like if they "want" to do it...That comes with hard work and attention to details which is something I'm not sure if this team can accomplish with any form of consistency.

 

[lilidk]

This team needs to get disassembled about now

wings will get destroyed by the kings. they barely beat a shitty team in the sharks. this is going to be a long month.

if they will, I kinda doubt it, Yzerman should immediately start selling

 

[Detroit Knights]

Indeed...It's not like the Wings "can't" do it since we saw them at their best in October and November, but more like if they "want" to do it...That comes with hard work and attention to details which is something I'm not sure if this team can accomplish with any form of consistency.

just feels like a shakeup is needed where someone gets traded or waived to wake guys up.

I don't like perron, probably well known by now, but if we traded a guy like him (likeable, locker room guy, etc.) either for picks or part of a package for a defender/goalie or something, then I think that would be exactly what this team would need. Kind of like a "oh shit, if they are going to trade a guy like perron, wtf am i gonna do to make sure i'm not next or my next contract extension isn't shit or etc etc etc."

 

[Gniwder]

just feels like a shakeup is needed where someone gets traded or waived to wake guys up.

I don't like perron, probably well known by now, but if we traded a guy like him (likeable, locker room guy, etc.) either for picks or part of a package for a defender/goalie or something, then I think that would be exactly what this team would need. Kind of like a "oh shit, if they are going to trade a guy like perron, wtf am i gonna do to make sure i'm not next or my next contract extension isn't shit or etc etc etc."

Waive Copp. Nobody will claim him, that should send a message. Though Wings seem to have players that don't understand the message like Vrana and Zadina, lol.

 

[FMichael]

just feels like a shakeup is needed where someone gets traded or waived to wake guys up.

I don't like perron, probably well known by now, but if we traded a guy like him (likeable, locker room guy, etc.) either for picks or part of a package for a defender/goalie or something, then I think that would be exactly what this team would need. Kind of like a "oh shit, if they are going to trade a guy like perron, wtf am i gonna do to make sure i'm not next or my next contract extension isn't shit or etc etc etc."

My 'shake up' would not involve any roster spot...

Waive Copp. Nobody will claim him, that should send a message. Though Wings seem to have players that don't understand the message like Vrana and Zadina, lol.

Waive your #1 fav Michigan born/raised player??!!

 

[Detroit Knights]

Waive Copp. Nobody will claim him, that should send a message. Though Wings seem to have players that don't understand the message like Vrana and Zadina, lol.

see i just don't believe that. I know you hate him and you probably do just as much as i hate perron, but like perron, I think copp's name holds more weight than his gameplay.

Copp does do the pk pretty well and can play in our own end, so that isn't nothing. I don't think waiving perron would get the result we need. I would not mind trading copp for defense or goalie help. I think I've said it before but something around:

copp + maata + pick for hanifin would be an easy win for both teams. Calgary still needs to ice an NHL roster and need a defender going back. This one has a contract ending soon so they can try to figure out something in the meantime. copp gives some veteran leadership to what is most likely going to be a very young team soon.

just don't know if copp would waive to go there.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

see i just don't believe that. I know you hate him and you probably do just as much as i hate perron, but like perron, I think copp's name holds more weight than his gameplay.

Copp does do the pk pretty well and can play in our own end, so that isn't nothing. I don't think waiving perron would get the result we need. I would not mind trading copp for defense or goalie help. I think I've said it before but something around:

copp + maata + pick for hanifin would be an easy win for both teams. Calgary still needs to ice an NHL roster and need a defender going back. This one has a contract ending soon so they can try to figure out something in the meantime. copp gives some veteran leadership to what is most likely going to be a very young team soon.

just don't know if copp would waive to go there.

Yeah that would have to be a top 5 pick. Copp and Maatta would be 8.6 mil in cap dumps. I can tell you the Flames do not want more wasted cap space.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

see i just don't believe that. I know you hate him and you probably do just as much as i hate perron, but like perron, I think copp's name holds more weight than his gameplay.

Copp does do the pk pretty well and can play in our own end, so that isn't nothing. I don't think waiving perron would get the result we need. I would not mind trading copp for defense or goalie help. I think I've said it before but something around:

copp + maata + pick for hanifin would be an easy win for both teams. Calgary still needs to ice an NHL roster and need a defender going back. This one has a contract ending soon so they can try to figure out something in the meantime. copp gives some veteran leadership to what is most likely going to be a very young team soon.

just don't know if copp would waive to go there.

If and when Calgary moves Hanifin it's highly likely it's the signal a full rebuild is coming... in that instance prospects and picks are what they'll covet and should they take on cap, itll cost the other team to do so...

For Hanifin think Maata plus Wallinder plus a B forward prospect plus a 2nd

 

[RedHawkDown]

Maatta, Wallinder, Hanas, 2nd. Someone fax over the paperwork

 

[Frk It]

We got a 1st and 2nd for Hronek but Calgary is gonna take crap, Wallinder, crap and a 2nd for Hanifin?

sure dude.

 

[Gniwder]

see i just don't believe that. I know you hate him and you probably do just as much as i hate perron, but like perron, I think copp's name holds more weight than his gameplay.

Copp does do the pk pretty well and can play in our own end, so that isn't nothing. I don't think waiving perron would get the result we need. I would not mind trading copp for defense or goalie help. I think I've said it before but something around:

copp + maata + pick for hanifin would be an easy win for both teams. Calgary still needs to ice an NHL roster and need a defender going back. This one has a contract ending soon so they can try to figure out something in the meantime. copp gives some veteran leadership to what is most likely going to be a very young team soon.

just don't know if copp would waive to go there.

Copp is garbage, Joey and Raz can PK. Copp has marginally better stats overall for significantly more money.

Stevie would obviously make calls before waiving anyone, he did with Zadina and Vrana. I just doubt anyone takes on $5.6M x 3+ years for a soft 3C. Most teams have better pro scouts than the Wings, everyone knows Copp (and the whole team for that matter) is soft.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Copp is garbage, Joey and Raz can PK. Copp has marginally better stats overall for significantly more money.

Stevie would obviously make calls before waiving anyone, he did with Zadina and Vrana. I just doubt anyone takes on $5.6M x 3+ years for a soft 3C. Most teams have better pro scouts than the Wings, everyone knows Copp (and the whole team for that matter) is soft.

well, i did want trochek over copp back then, probably would still choose trochek now. Just want him on our team so he stops scoring on us on what feels like all the time. Not to mention he has the same "look" as our current crop of fabbri, ras, walman, etc lol. I swear, sometimes I think its walman and fabbri's numbers are on the shoulders.

Quick glances will mess with the mind!

 

[cvaicunas]

My 'shake up' would not involve any roster spot...




Waive your #1 fav Michigan born/raised player??!!

When did we move to beating dead camels? Is this a thing, where's the stallion?

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

We got a 1st and 2nd for Hronek but Calgary is gonna take crap, Wallinder, crap and a 2nd for Hanifin?

sure dude.

I guess it depends if you think Wallinder is crap...do you?

 

[Ezekial]

I guess it depends if you think Wallinder is crap...do you?

He was clearly calling Maatta and a B prospect crap based on the proposal.

 

[Frk It]

I guess it depends if you think Wallinder is crap...do you?

What I think of him and what his trade value probably is right now are 2 very different things.

I don’t think the type of package you proposed would net Hanifin. There are going to be a number of teams vying for him if Calgary doesn’t extend him. If you’re not expecting to pay a package that includes a first rounder plus some combo of a pick/prospect, then I don’t think you should expect to get him.

He was clearly calling Maatta and a B prospect crap based on the proposal.

Also this.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

He was clearly calling Maatta and a B prospect crap based on the proposal.

Most, not all, deals in the NHL in the cap era involve the salary dump of a "crap" player, a pick, plus a good prospect..

I'm positive this wouldnt be considered unusual..

So I guess ..do we consider Wallinder a good prospect? I'd hope that if we do, so too do other NHL front offices..otherwise somebody is clueless...

 

[Sentinel]

No points for Zadina.

Weird. I expected him to score a hattrick against us.

Haven't seen a more uninspiring win in my life.

If Yzerman was looking to extend Ghost, he needs to tear that extension up, throw it in a dumpster and light it on fire.

He is only our third best d-man.

Agree on Copp. He and Raz are fighting for the title of the Most Useless Player on the Roster.

 

[ricky0034]

We got a 1st and 2nd for Hronek but Calgary is gonna take crap, Wallinder, crap and a 2nd for Hanifin?

sure dude.

I mean if Hronek going for a 1st+2nd is your baseline then if anything that Hanifin deal is too much considering Hanifin is gonna be a UFA after this season and Hronek not only had an extra full year at a cheap salary on his contract but is going to be a RFA this summer to boot

 

[Frk It]

I mean if Hronek going for a 1st+2nd is your baseline then if anything that Hanifin deal is too much considering Hanifin is gonna be a UFA after this season and Hronek not only had an extra full year at a cheap salary on his contract but is going to be a RFA this summer to boot

Sure but then Hanifin is 6’4” and has that former top 5 prestige and defends a heck of a lot better while still putting up a PPG comparable to Hroneks since he’s been in Calgary.

So then idk….