OT: Gambling Ads...

[Jedub]

As long as "free to play" apps and other whale-hunting phone games are allowed to advertise during sports games *and* be marketed directly to underage people, when their entire MO is nothing but "gambling, except you can never cash out when you win", I'm fine with the status quo. Try loading up a popular Match 3 game like "Royal Match" or "Royal Kingdom"; see how many times you get advertized at to "it's like gambling but you can't cash out" during the course of a game; then see if Kevin Weekes talking about the Over/Under for 10 seconds is that bad.

This should not be allowed! These types of games should be treated the same as gambling - period. It's a disgrace the way gaming companies have pivoted to this. The entire industry is based around gambling mechanics now and it is ruining lives.

 

[oldunclehue]

Can’t believe greedy Gretzky schilling for gambling sites like he’s hard done by, maybe he can do ads for flavoured cigarettes or porn sites next!

You realize almost all athletes of Wayne's stature have a marketing/management team that books these things based around how much they make etc.

"Here's $1 million a year Wayne, just read these lines of the teleprompter"

- When you are that rich/big you still need to bring in cashflow to pay for your agencies, employees etc etc. I wouldn't turn down reading some lines about gambling.

 

[Jedub]

You realize almost all athletes of Wayne's stature have a marketing/management team that books these things based around how much they make etc.

"Here's $1 million a year Wayne, just read these lines of the teleprompter"

- When you are that rich/big you still need to bring in cashflow to pay for your agencies, employees etc etc. I wouldn't turn down reading some lines about gambling.

I'm sure most of us wouldn't, but it does feel wierd to see him there. What's next, Wagner group and Lockheed Martin?

 

[SUX2BU]

Over/under of people wanting to punch this guy in the face?

 

[Jedub]

Over/under of people wanting to punch this guy in the face?


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I feel like he looks a lot less comfortable on screen lately...the hate mail must be getting to him.

 

[kanadalainen]

Hypothesis: In Pro Hockey, the public push for gambling generates the potential to degrade the game as the volume of money that changes hands on the bet may eclipse the "clean" revenue (and perhaps the valuation) of the teams and events themselves. Thus the overt move to push the gamble may then necessarily provide the "carrot" which may impact the game result.

If true, it does away with the essence of the game and nullifies the premise that "anything can happen".

If true, its a matter of time until one player, or one coach, etc feck it up and influence the game. If I know something, its that people can be fallible in reckoning with huge amounts of cash.

 

[Fatdrunk]

I am concerned about the excessive amount of gambling ads that are shown during the broadcasts. I understand that advertising is a necessary source of revenue for the network, but I believe that gambling ads pose a serious risk to the well-being of the audience, especially young and vulnerable people. Gambling addiction is a serious problem that can ruin lives and families. It can also lead to other issues such as debt, crime, mental health problems and suicide. By promoting gambling as a fun and easy way to make money, these ads are exploiting people's hopes and dreams and encouraging them to take unnecessary risks. I urge Sportsnet to reconsider its advertising policy and reduce the number of gambling ads it shows. I think this would be a responsible and ethical decision that would benefit both the network and its viewers.

 

[cbcwpg]

Hypothesis: In Pro Hockey, the public push for gambling generates the potential to degrade the game as the volume of money that changes hands on the bet may eclipse the "clean" revenue (and perhaps the valuation) of the teams and events themselves. Thus the overt move to push the gamble may then necessarily provide the "carrot" which may impact the game result.

If true, it does away with the essence of the game and nullifies the premise that "anything can happen".

If true, its a matter of time until one player, or one coach, etc feck it up and influence the game. If I know something, its that people can be fallible in reckoning with huge amounts of cash.

The one thing about hockey is that major brain farts happen all the time ( just see the goalies the last week ) that result in goals, so how would anyone know if the player did it deliberately or not.

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

FWIW, here's a link to an open access peer-reviewed article (Journal of Gambling Studies...who knew there was such a scientific journal?)

Relationships Between Exposure to Different Gambling Advertising Types, Advertising Impact and Problem Gambling - Journal of Gambling Studies

People with gambling problems report more exposure and impact from gambling advertising, although less is known regarding the role of specific advertising types. Data on gamblers (n = 5830, 48.5% women, mean age = 44.27) was collected from a general population cross-sectional survey in Norway...

link.springer.com

"Relationships Between Exposure to Different Gambling Advertising Types, Advertising Impact and Problem Gambling"

P.S. I despise the ads, especially the in-game stuff. Yes, I'd like to "have a word" with a few of those "celebrity" pitchmen.

 

[kanadalainen]

The one thing about hockey is that major brain farts happen all the time ( just see the goalies the last week ) that result in goals, so how would anyone know if the player did it deliberately or not.

Oh no doubt. And it can be a highly chaotic game. My hypothesis (which can either be upheld or disproven, nothing more) is that the enormous push to bet on games (perfectly legal and taxable) generates billions of dollars involved - and that cash exerts a modicum of outcome pressure, not otherwise seen.

I like generating hypotheses, many of them are disproven. Just ask my spouse.

 

[kanadalainen]

I am concerned about the excessive amount of gambling ads that are shown during the broadcasts. I understand that advertising is a necessary source of revenue for the network, but I believe that gambling ads pose a serious risk to the well-being of the audience, especially young and vulnerable people. Gambling addiction is a serious problem that can ruin lives and families. It can also lead to other issues such as debt, crime, mental health problems and suicide. By promoting gambling as a fun and easy way to make money, these ads are exploiting people's hopes and dreams and encouraging them to take unnecessary risks. I urge Sportsnet to reconsider its advertising policy and reduce the number of gambling ads it shows. I think this would be a responsible and ethical decision that would benefit both the network and its viewers.

Really nicely put. . This is the bigger concern.

 

[CorgisPer60]

The University of Liverpool reviewed data from seven major online gambling operators. It showed that 86 per cent of what's referred to as gross gambling yield comes from just five (5) per cent of gambling customers in the U.K.

I am not surprised. Addiction is a sickness, and one I'm familiar with in the gaming industry. It triggers the same synapses as casino gambling. It's the same. f*** gambling and its insidious machinations.

 

[Eyeseeing]

I wonder how many young people in particular are upside down financially in the last year because of this gambling blitz coming at us non stop.
It’s really a bad look to by the industry in my opinion as it is aggressive, continual, and borderline misleading… ex ; actors on a set glorifying it, athletes currently playing in leagues getting paid to promote it.
Not everyone will get in trouble because of gambling but generally speaking it doesn’t promote wellbeing.
Cigarettes and alcohol advertising have been banned or restricted because of the wellbeing aspect and not everyone who chooses to use those products will run into trouble either, so there is a precedent to restrict these gambling advertisements IMO.

 

[kanadalainen]

Cigarettes and alcohol advertising have been banned or restricted because of the wellbeing aspect and not everyone who chooses to use those products will run into trouble either, so there is a precedent to restrict these gambling advertisements IMO.

Great point, a gambling addiction is a real threat to mental health. Of course mental health finally a mainstrain concern. But this is all conveniently glossed over.

 

[cbcwpg]

The definition of ironic…

complaining about the number of gambling ads on TV …. While using a website that has the most ads of any website on the planet.

 

[ryerockarola]

The definition of ironic…

complaining about the number of gambling ads on TV …. While using a website that has the most ads of any website on the planet.

Perhaps you could start a separate thread to complain about the ads on this website as I fail to see any irony in your comparing complaining about gambling ads on TV to ads on this website unless you somehow show how the NHL is supposedly getting $$$$ from the ads on this website.

In theory the NHL is getting a ton of $$$$ for showing all these ads on tv so what does the average joe fan get from the $$$$ the NHL gets for showing the ads on tv? Nothing but perhaps a sudden urge to gamble because Jesse Pinkman says it's easy or Wayne Gretzky and Connor McDavid are racing zambonis to get people to gamble, with potential societal problems mentioned in this thread. When's Cabbie on again or another shill to remind us how to bet?

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

I am concerned about the excessive amount of gambling ads that are shown during the broadcasts. I understand that advertising is a necessary source of revenue for the network, but I believe that gambling ads pose a serious risk to the well-being of the audience, especially young and vulnerable people. Gambling addiction is a serious problem that can ruin lives and families. It can also lead to other issues such as debt, crime, mental health problems and suicide. By promoting gambling as a fun and easy way to make money, these ads are exploiting people's hopes and dreams and encouraging them to take unnecessary risks. I urge Sportsnet to reconsider its advertising policy and reduce the number of gambling ads it shows. I think this would be a responsible and ethical decision that would benefit both the network and its viewers.

Fun fact- Watching the games on streaming sites blocks all the advertising.

 

[ryerockarola]

Fun fact- Watching the games on streaming sites blocks all the advertising.

Not to encourage illegal activity but if the NHL doesn't get fans' money because of fans illegally streaming the games AND the fans don't have to watch all the gambling ads then fans who don't want to watch the ads should....

 

[hockeyarena]

Great point, a gambling addiction is a real threat to mental health. Of course mental health finally a mainstrain concern. But this is all conveniently glossed over.

It's glossed over because ultimately people are narcissists and think they're special. They couldnt possibly be the addict, its just everyone else who is. the entire world is addicted to the internet and social media, which somehow is still not regulated, but stimulates the exact part of the brain as gambling, the "I'm more special than the odds" section.

 

[kanadalainen]

It's glossed over because ultimately people are narcissists and think they're special. They couldnt possibly be the addict, its just everyone else who is. the entire world is addicted to the internet and social media, which somehow is still not regulated, but stimulates the exact part of the brain as gambling, the "I'm more special than the odds" section.

Addicted to the internet, is it? The *entire world*?

Sounds like trouble.

 

[ryerockarola]

Addicted to the internet, is it? The *entire world*?

Sounds like trouble.

The *entire whole world*'s....

 

[ps241]

I rarely watch adds on tv anymore. I tend to fast forward, get up and walk around, or check my phone because I find ads boring.

The only thing when it comes to gambling is I have two young kids so I parent more passionately on this topic.

 

[ryerockarola]

I rarely watch adds on tv anymore. I tend to fast forward, get up and walk around, or check my phone because I find ads boring.

The only thing when it comes to gambling is I have two young kids so I parent more passionately on this topic.

but but but..... that poster pointed out ads are on phones too

 

[ryerockarola]

When cigarette and alcohol ads ruled the tv airwaves networks broadcasting the games never dedicated one or more of their announcers to talk about how to drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes. The networks never had a telecaster every intermission giving out say maps to where to buy booze or cigarettes which is the closest thing I can think of akin to the networks not only showing the ads but talking about and in a way encouraging the usage of those products that are already being advertised.

That is a big difference and what makes these gambling ads different from the alcohol and smoking ads which used to prevail, both of which, to the best of my knowledge, they were forced to stop because - here's some news - excessive drinking of alcohol and smoking of cigarettes is not healthy to some people and may lead to their actual demise.

So if gambling can be not healthy to some people - oh wait there's no legislation yet because this internet thing and unregulated gambling so we the NHL wanted such a big piece of the pie that we just said heck yeah flood our airwaves AND the tv networks will also do their best to dedicate major segments and members of the broadcast team to ensure people use those sponsors.

If the networks stopped with the constant shilling of the ads and just showed the ads it'd be better in my opinion. Can't tell the networks what to do though. NHL what does the average fan get from that large bag of gambling ad $$$$ you get?

 

[AlphaLackey]

When cigarette and alcohol ads ruled the tv airwaves networks broadcasting the games never dedicated one or more of their announcers to talk about how to drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes. The networks never had a telecaster every intermission giving out say maps to where to buy booze or cigarettes which is the closest thing I can think of akin to the networks not only showing the ads but talking about and in a way encouraging the usage of those products that are already being advertised.

That is a big difference and what makes these gambling ads different from the alcohol and smoking ads which used to prevail, both of which, to the best of my knowledge, they were forced to stop because - here's some news - excessive drinking of alcohol and smoking of cigarettes is not healthy to some people and may lead to their actual demise.

So if gambling can be not healthy to some people - oh wait there's no legislation yet because this internet thing and unregulated gambling so we the NHL wanted such a big piece of the pie that we just said heck yeah flood our airwaves AND the tv networks will also do their best to dedicate major segments and members of the broadcast team to ensure people use those sponsors.

If the networks stopped with the constant shilling of the ads and just showed the ads it'd be better in my opinion. Can't tell the networks what to do though. NHL what does the average fan get from that large bag of gambling ad $$$$ you get?

One thing I should add to this is that the websites you see advertised are very heavily regulated. You can't even fathom what a typical round of compliance demands looks like for a new market. Not just with the government, but with "know your customer" requirements for people to even set up real money accounts, further document requirements to exceed nominal weekly deposit limits, and so forth.

There ARE plenty of sketchy operators still out there, sure; a good chunk of internet gambling is very much a Wild West, but the ones you'll see advertising on games are anything but.

Okay, one more thing unlike alcohol and cigarettes, the problems with gambling largely (if not entirely) disappear if one simply scales their wagers properly to their discretionary income. Tobacco and booze are unsafe at any levels; liquor doesn't cease to destroy your liver once you can afford to down a fifth every other day, you know?