OT: FUBAR in Europe

[MrazeksVengeance]

I think we need a separate thread. Same way we had one when Corona hit. That being said, I hope everyone will stay as opinionated and cordial as ever. Because… hell, I am not sure I will be able to.
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So how do little guys close to this probably feel about it.

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania (unison) - thank fu^k we joined NATO when we did…
Poland - Krzysztof. GET THE WINGS.
Romania - Could we please remind everyone Transnistria is a thing TOO? Yes, Moldova I am telling them.
Slovakia - *schizofrenia ensues between dumb russophiles and people who are scared because they have a border with a warring state and NATO might actually want some contribution*
Czech republic - Wait a minute! I have seen this one. It’s a classic. Right Poland? Anschluss into Sudetenland into fake attack in Gliwice. *Poland chimes in* I KNOW KURWA.
Finland -
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VITTU.

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[MrazeksVengeance]

On a real note, the entity respobsible for stalling the development of humanity as a whole known as PRC is being predictable for once.

“No invasion, just Russia protecting its interests. Also, US you are being militaristic.”

I might need to use my lack of warning points soon.

 

[hockeynjune]

Not good for anybody

 

[Porvari]

Well, this happened. I've been pro-NATO from the second the Soviet Union collapsed, and it's pretty depressing to find myself a secpol genius.

edit: The Finnish Minister of Defense has updated his daily assurances of "no threat to Finland" to "no imminent threat to Finland". How nice.

 

[hblueridgegal]

What a world we live in and my heart goes out to those in the region. My co-workers are quite concerned and anxious. My adored nephew was sent to Poland last week by the Army. He's has a precious 1 year old. His sister's (my niece) husband will soon follow once she delivers their baby this week. My family is quite worried.

 

[Lempo]

The President was funny in the presser. Someone asked: how do you feel about Putin right now?

"Ahm. As I said in my opening statement, the masks have come off, and all we see is the cold face of war. And... I guess this is enough an answer for that."

 

[raynman]

Is he going to stop with Ukraine? I don’t think he cares about sanctions much and he knows none of the military powers are going to do anything

 

[Incubajerks]

Is he going to stop with Ukraine? I don’t think he cares about sanctions much and he knows none of the military powers are going to do anything

I don't think this is an expansion war. And NATO's behavior over the years is the other side of the same coin.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

What a world we live in and my heart goes out to those in the region. My co-workers are quite concerned and anxious. My adored nephew was sent to Poland last week by the Army. He's has a precious 1 year old. His sister's (my niece) husband will soon follow once she delivers their baby this week. My family is quite worried.

For little that it's worth... his service means a world to me now. And to many people in my region.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

I don't think this is an expansion war. And NATO's behavior over the years is the other side of the same coin.

Mofo said that Ukraine is an integral part of Russia and that Russia is rectifying the mistakes of the Soviet Union. Call it expansion, call it Anschluss, call it whatever. Ukraine might lose territory or its entire existence.

 

[Porvari]

I don't think this is an expansion war. And NATO's behavior over the years is the other side of the same coin.

My take on Putin is, he's hellbent on healing the great trauma of his life, i.e. the disintegration of the Soviet Union. He's also happy to take any extra parts that belonged to Imperial Russia, should they become available.

I also don't recall NATO effing up Poland or the Baltic states to achieve expansion.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

My take on Putin is, he's hellbent on healing the great trauma of his life, i.e. the disintegration of the Soviet Union. He's also happy to take any extra parts that belonged to Imperial Russia, should they become available.

I also don't recall NATO effing up Poland or the Baltic states to achieve expansion.

Or us. Or Slovaks. Or Hungarians. Or Bulgaria. Or Romania.

Big reminders.

Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania with similar or the same borders (Lithuania was smaller because portions of its current territory were part of Poland which was much larger in the east and much smaller in the west. That included Vilnius, their historical and current day capital. Kaunas was the capital at the time.) existed before WW2 and were forcibly integrated into USSR at the dawn of WW2.

Poland was stabbed in the back by Soviets at the dawn of war.

Talvisota.

Czechoslovakia was invaded as a part of the Warsaw pact because it wasn't commie enough in 1968.

Invasion of Hungary similar to the one mentioned a decade prior was much bloodier.

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NATO has faults.
Many.
But it doesn't have the track record of stabbing its own members in the back with a RUSTY SYPHILIS COATED SERRATED KNIFE.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Also.

Hot take. Neighboring nations will have this issue as long as they have a Russian minority in their country. What was done in Czech(oslovakian) territory after WW2 was disgusting, but given what Germans have done in the years prior... it was passable. And in the long run it was a good thing for the mutual relationship of Czechs and Germans.
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And don't go easy on the sanctions. Sanction every fu^king thing you can. Expel their diplomats. Send everyone with a Russian passport home. Freeze the money. Get them out of SWIFT.

 

[Chan790]

Mofo said that Ukraine is an integral part of Russia and that Russia is rectifying the mistakes of the Soviet Union. Call it expansion, call it Anschluss, call it whatever. Ukraine might lose territory or its entire existence.

Doubtful they stop there.

Sabre-rattling and not much else in response to their Ukraine invasion might motivate them to try to reconnect Kaliningrad to the motherland.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Doubtful they stop there.

Sabre-rattling and not much else in response to their Ukraine invasion might motivate them to try to reconnect Kaliningrad to the motherland.

Yeah, I feel the same way and I feel lot of existential dread.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

NATO and such need to act now.

We all know Putin will act crazy, his presidency is on the line. Any sign of weakness and he’ll be ousted. Its the Russian way.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

i'm not enjoying 2020 part 3

 

[Porvari]

i'm not enjoying 2020 part 3

2/4 on the Four Horsemen.

 

[Incubajerks]

Doubtful they stop there.

Sabre-rattling and not much else in response to their Ukraine invasion might motivate them to try to reconnect Kaliningrad to the motherland.

This is the doubt that arises spontaneously, I personally do not think it will be like this even if obviously I am not sure and I can be wrong. Kiev will fall in the next few hours and we will have a more accurate picture in the next few days. What I want to point out, with the sorrow in my heart for the Ukrainian people (I know many people who work here in my city), is that there are specific reasons as to why we have come to this point. And for this I wrote that there is also the other side of the same coin.

 

[MinJaBen]

The only way you have a chance of stopping this without using military force is going nuclear on the sanctions. No trading with Russia, or anyone who does. Make China choose between the European and North American markets or Russian markets. No muddy middle.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

The only way you have a chance of stopping this without using military force is going nuclear on the sanctions. No trading with Russia, or anyone who does. Make China choose between the European and North American markets or Russian markets. No muddy middle.

Europe doesn’t have energy independence. They rely on Russia. I doubt they can go that severe.

 

[Ole Gil]

Is he going to stop with Ukraine? I don’t think he cares about sanctions much and he knows none of the military powers are going to do anything

Seems like it depends on how much Ukraine resists? If it turns into some sort of guerilla warfare situation with the populace refusing Russian rule, I'd think it'd be a decades long quagmire.

If the Ukrainians are like "Welp, guess we're russians again." Then no reason not to hit up the next country on the list.

 

[Svechhammer]

Putin straight up threatened a nuclear strike against any country that intervened with their operations in Ukraine.

Thing is, the rest of the world really is too spineless to do anything about it. Doesn't really matter who we have in power here in the US (R or D) our extent will be to scold the actions, take to media and social media to declare our moral horror about everything, maybe send in a small military force that, by design, will do little more than providing a temporary block to Russia's advances before pulling out. Fact of the matter is, our government in all parties, is saturated by Russian agents. We are Putin's puppets, and he's acting now because he knows he has full control over our response.

Funny, I didn't even like the guy but think back to the 2012 election when the candidates were asked the biggest threat of national security, Romney was absolutely roasted for saying it was Russia. That man could not have been more correct at the time, and that threat has only grown since.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

I can no longer hold it in.

I wish death, pain, and suffering upon every Russian participating in this war. I don't believe in hell, I just hope they will experience it.

 

[Lempo]

The only way you have a chance of stopping this without using military force is going nuclear on the sanctions. No trading with Russia, or anyone who does. Make China choose between the European and North American markets or Russian markets. No muddy middle.

Weeell... Moscow stock exchange has come down 45 points today and Ruble is at its all time low. Some economy guy noted that we ain't got anything to screw Russia worse than they just did themselves.