France may host 2030 Winter Olympics. Probable return to SLC in 2034

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France named preferred host for 2030. SLC also considered for 2030 but thought more time might benefit.

2026 Italy (Feb 6-22).
Honestly, need to stop trying to get some many different countries to host. Just pick 4 sites for each and go back there every 20 years. No issues if SLC goes again after 28 years.

Costs too much to build new everything. In the millennium, Greece, Brazil, Sochi, what is still standing from those ones?
 

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Honestly, need to stop trying to get some many different countries to host. Just pick 4 sites for each and go back there every 20 years. No issues if SLC goes again after 28 years.

Costs too much to build new everything. In the millennium, Greece, Brazil, Sochi, what is still standing from those ones?


I worked the Sochi Olympics in the athletes village and went back there a few years ago and only the Ice arena is used by the KHL team that got put there because of the games. Greece nearly went bankrupt because they thought there would be a huge upswing in tourism---not realizing Greece was already on the list of places people wanted to go
 
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France did a poor job of the World Championship a few years back because they held the games in Paris which is not a hockey town compared to where it is a hot bed mainly east. I wonder how this will go.
 

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I was a bit surprised that French Alps got 2030’s top slot over Switzerland and Sweden
 

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Last thing SLC needs is another Olympics...the environment can barely sustain the exisiting population (water, receding great salt lake). Another influx of development and population from the post olympic fallout is untenable
 

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Honestly, need to stop trying to get some many different countries to host. Just pick 4 sites for each and go back there every 20 years. No issues if SLC goes again after 28 years.

Costs too much to build new everything. In the millennium, Greece, Brazil, Sochi, what is still standing from those ones?
They need to not award places that don’t at least 80 percent of venues in place and use as many temporary venues as it can.
 

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SLC won't be limited to venues just in the nearby area, as a cost savings move; perhaps some (indoor?) events might be in Denver and Las Vegas.
 

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Odd that the 2026 games are in Italy and the 2030 would in France; just the other side of the same mountain range.
 

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Odd that the 2026 games are in Italy and the 2030 would in France; just the other side of the same mountain range.
They don’t like doing that but a lot of Olympic hosting has gone from being ‘who wants to do it’ to ‘who is willing to do it’
 
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According to local news outlet Nice Matin, the city council is looking to have the men's hockey tournament in a temporary facility within the Allianz Riviera, a soccer stadium where Ligue 1 side OGC Nice plays, instead of getting a brand new multipurpose arena built.



I actually love how the newspaper is more worried about how the soccer team will be impacted than not seeing built a needed facility for the rest of the local sports scene at large despite knowing state subsidies would be available for it for the occasion.
 
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For Olympic hockey that would be a terrible solution, but obviously for the hosts that's not a competition they care about. Any of the preexisting hockey venues in the region would be better despite a smaller capacity.
 

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I'd be concerned with an "outdoor" venue that would have no rain/weather protection nor humidity control. And as there are 4+ games/day that means that there would be concerns about the sun on the ice.
 
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The "arena" would be covered and seating 15,500 people, using one end of the stadium.
For Olympic hockey that would be a terrible solution, but obviously for the hosts that's not a competition they care about. Any of the preexisting hockey venues in the region would be better despite a smaller capacity.
The smaller permanent rink for the women's tournament would still supposedly be built and would replace the small aging fifth-floor one, located in a multistorey sport facility on prime real estate and currently used by the Aigles de Nice in Ligue Magnus, once the Games are over (I read somewhere it would be used as a training facility during the event).
 

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Well, hold it!

Now they are talking about having two rinks in the stadium. One for the men's and one for the women's.

 

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I just don't understand the position of the NHL. I don't know what the total cost would be to pay for the additional expenses, but is there a better marketing platform on the planet than the winter Olympics? If anyone knows the last offer the IIHF made for PyeongChang and Beijing I would love to hear it.

It's an every 4 year event. The opportunity to highlight the best of the best to the entire world. And a very competitive tourney at that. 170 players went to Sochi. That's three charter jets ( like 777, 787, A330, etc) for athletes, coaches, trainers and equipment. The teams stay in the Olympic Village, so food and board are provided. The insurance is the big sticking point, as I have no idea how to quantify the value of all those contracts. Though the league might be in a position to get the underwriters of the insured contracts to extend them for the Olympics.

To me the league is being a bunch of cheap ass short sighted SOBs. They don't accrue the financial windfall from participation, but they get all the marketing from it. They showcase their sport, which is really one of the feature attractions of the games. They would get more exposure than any other sport. Unlike trying to compete with the NBA and other sports in a smaller market, they get global broadcasting, even with feature coverage on a US network.

Why not at least accept a satisfactory contribution to the expenses in exchange for being a sponsor? Association has its benefits. I know it's not my money, and the rich owners didn't get rich by 'giving there's away' but there are massive markets, especially in Asia they could reach that they presently don't. Seems like they're shooting themselves in the foot.
 

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I just don't understand the position of the NHL. I don't know what the total cost would be to pay for the additional expenses, but is there a better marketing platform on the planet than the winter Olympics? If anyone knows the last offer the IIHF made for PyeongChang and Beijing I would love to hear it.

It's an every 4 year event. The opportunity to highlight the best of the best to the entire world. And a very competitive tourney at that. 170 players went to Sochi. That's three charter jets ( like 777, 787, A330, etc) for athletes, coaches, trainers and equipment. The teams stay in the Olympic Village, so food and board are provided. The insurance is the big sticking point, as I have no idea how to quantify the value of all those contracts. Though the league might be in a position to get the underwriters of the insured contracts to extend them for the Olympics.

To me the league is being a bunch of cheap ass short sighted SOBs. They don't accrue the financial windfall from participation, but they get all the marketing from it. They showcase their sport, which is really one of the feature attractions of the games. They would get more exposure than any other sport. Unlike trying to compete with the NBA and other sports in a smaller market, they get global broadcasting, even with feature coverage on a US network.

Why not at least accept a satisfactory contribution to the expenses in exchange for being a sponsor? Association has its benefits. I know it's not my money, and the rich owners didn't get rich by 'giving there's away' but there are massive markets, especially in Asia they could reach that they presently don't. Seems like they're shooting themselves in the foot.
Is it a great marketing opportunity? Do many people really watch Olympic hockey and decide to start watching regular NHL games? Or do they just add it to the list of things they'll watch again next Olympics? There are a lot of sports that I enjoy watching during both the Summer and Winter Olympics that I pay no attention to during the four years in-between. And I know many others wh are similar.
 

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I just don't understand the position of the NHL. I don't know what the total cost would be to pay for the additional expenses, but is there a better marketing platform on the planet than the winter Olympics? If anyone knows the last offer the IIHF made for PyeongChang and Beijing I would love to hear it.

It's an every 4 year event. The opportunity to highlight the best of the best to the entire world. And a very competitive tourney at that. 170 players went to Sochi. That's three charter jets ( like 777, 787, A330, etc) for athletes, coaches, trainers and equipment. The teams stay in the Olympic Village, so food and board are provided. The insurance is the big sticking point, as I have no idea how to quantify the value of all those contracts. Though the league might be in a position to get the underwriters of the insured contracts to extend them for the Olympics.

To me the league is being a bunch of cheap ass short sighted SOBs. They don't accrue the financial windfall from participation, but they get all the marketing from it. They showcase their sport, which is really one of the feature attractions of the games. They would get more exposure than any other sport. Unlike trying to compete with the NBA and other sports in a smaller market, they get global broadcasting, even with feature coverage on a US network.

Why not at least accept a satisfactory contribution to the expenses in exchange for being a sponsor? Association has its benefits. I know it's not my money, and the rich owners didn't get rich by 'giving there's away' but there are massive markets, especially in Asia they could reach that they presently don't. Seems like they're shooting themselves in the foot.

So look - I think the NHL should allow players to play in the Olympics. I think it would benefit the NHL. But I don't think it's as obvious as you think.

First of all at a minimum they need to cancel the all-star game. Now I get it - I don't care about the all-star game either. But it brings in money to the league. So that's a cost right there.

The insurance has to be a non-negligible sum also.

As for promoting the league - the IOC/IIHF is very protective of Olympic pictures/video/imagery. The NHL can not use anything from the Olympics themselves to promote their players - you'll never see the NHL using Crosby's "golden goal" to promote the league for example.

So the only benefit the NHL gets is a more vague promotion of the sport of hockey itself. Which is why I think the league should do it! But I can understand the opposite argument.
 

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