Pass another quantity for quality trade and Anaheim gets nothing solid absolutely nothing.
Eventually HF we Gotta stop seeing these type of proposals
Proposal: Fowler to NJ
- Thread starter WhiskeyYerTheDevils
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Pass another quantity for quality trade and Anaheim gets nothing solid absolutely nothing.
Eventually HF we Gotta stop seeing these type of proposals
Stop with your crazy proposals. NJ is still not in a position to be giving up that many assets. You do realize Shero has traded for Hall DSP Palmieri and Bennett and all he traded for all of that was this...
Larsson
2nd
3rd
Matteau
What you just offered is worth more than that and its just for Fowler...who isn't all of that great to be quite honest.
Ducks in a row
Go Ducks Quack Quack
In our situation it is because we are still in no position to be giving up that many assets.
Fine, but that doesn't mean Fowler "isn't all that great" and that the offer made was "worth more than" Fowler.
VoidCreature
Before you see the light, you must die.
After the trades Shero has pulled off so far, I have no reason to believe we're going to have to pay market value to get what we need. Whether it's Fowler or someone else, we'll make out like bandits. Again.
"Meh", I wouldn't class Shero as some trade genius personally. He got Palms for less than his worth at the time, but not significantly cheaper (2 x 2nds instead of 2nd + 3rd would have been about right IMO). The fact that Palms exploded into a 30 goalscorer this passed season really had nothing to with Shero. As far as the Hall trade, I'm not even convinced NJ comes out on top. I mean, "sure", you get the best guy in the deal, but your D is decimated. What's the point in having a tonne of offence if you've got no D to stop pucks going in the other way? As far as the rest of Shero's track record, it's all pretty standard stuff really.
Don't get me wrong, Shero's done well for you guys, but he's no Jim Nill when it comes to taking the opposing team's GM to the cleaners
IMO, Fowler ends up in DET and Shero ends up plugging the hole left by Larsson.
Stephen Gionta
Boston College > Boston University
i think people are really underrating Joe Blandisi.....
The guy just had 17 points in 41 games - 34 point pace - and he's only 21!! he's gonna be a 45+ point player..
The guy just had 17 points in 41 games - 34 point pace - and he's only 21!! he's gonna be a 45+ point player..
"Meh", I wouldn't class Shero as some trade genius personally. He got Palms for less than his worth at the time, but not significantly cheaper (2 x 2nds instead of 2nd + 3rd would have been about right IMO). The fact that Palms exploded into a 30 goalscorer this passed season really had nothing to with Shero. As far as the Hall trade, I'm not even convinced NJ comes out on top. I mean, "sure", you get the best guy in the deal, but your D is decimated. What's the point in having a tonne of offence if you've got no D to stop pucks going in the other way? As far as the rest of Shero's track record, it's all pretty standard stuff really.
Don't get me wrong, Shero's done well for you guys, but he's no Jim Nill when it comes to taking the opposing team's GM to the cleaners
IMO, Fowler ends up in DET and Shero ends up plugging the hole left by Larsson.
Smith-Pelley for Mattaeu (who will probably be waived at end of camp)
Gelinas for a third (he should of been waived)
The return for Palms, not so much what palms did
Hall trade should have been at least a rostered young player with upside, Edm fans expected a first
If that is not your idea of genius not sure what to say
And your GM let's Hags go to so I don't see how you have much to say about shero
TopShelfWaterBottle
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He let hagelin go because he was useless in the western conference and with the ducks style of play
Then why sign in first place
You knew what he was and that never changed
In fact I think that put pitt over the top
Before we enshrine Shero into the HHOF let's see what his team does this year. Unless they significantly upgrade their defense they are a lottery team.
Now back to discussing why the Ducks and NJ are bad trading partners...
Now back to discussing why the Ducks and NJ are bad trading partners...
Zajacs Bowl Cut
Lets Go Baby
I don't think you realize how much different our forward corps will be this year
the Devils bottom 6 (comprised of 12 or so players total for the entire season) scored like 30 goals TOTAL combined. that is so, so bad.
am I happy with the state of the D right now? no, I think it can be improved. but the forwards are going to be SO much better than last year it will make up for any downgrade in D play
Shero is building a team for the future and it might take a year or two for the entire thing to mesh but lottery team, we are not.
With a elite goaltender and a new and improved offence, we'll be battling for a wildcard spot but I do agree that we have to upgrade our blueline if we want to make some noise.
Jason MacIsaac
Registered User
To be fair, I think Zacha could easily jump into the top 6 on the wing. More likely 3rd line center to start.
Jim Nill took:
Loui Eriksson
Reilly Smith
Matt Fraser
Joe Morrow
Alex Chiasson
Alex Guptill
Nicolas Paul
a 2015 second-round pick
... and turned it into
Tyler Seguin
Rich Peverley
Ryan Button
Jason Spezza
Ludwig Karlsson
That's a trading genius.
I never said BM was a trading genius. Drafting D-men, signing RFAs and not wasting assets on rentals is where BM excels. As far as trading, BM is always very active, but rarely in big deals. Usually, we've come out on top. However, yeah, last season was a bad one for him.
As far as the Palms trade. Palms wasn't a 30 goal scorer when he was traded. He was a streaky 15-15 guy with consistency issues and someone coming off an absolutely terrible playoff showing in what was ultimately a disappointing cup run. He was worth maybe 2 x 2nds. Shero did well and got him for a 2nd and a 3rd. That's not a genius trade and the fact that Palms is worth a tonne more now doesn't change that.
As far as DSP for Matteau, that deal wasn't that genius. BM traded Sekac, a player who spent most of the year on the bench, for Garbutt, a very useful player down the stretch. Those types of deals happen all the time.
Gelinas for a third. Another deal that happens pretty regularly. A real genius deal was Benning getting a 2nd for Bieksa.
The Hall trade? Let's see on that one. The point of making trades is to win hockey games. NJ is now extremely front-heavy. We'll see whether that translates into more wins.
Anyway, the main point of this post is that I don't think Shero is somehow going to swindle Fowler out from underneath BM in some totally lopsided deal in which we only end up with prospects and picks. Shero is a good GM, but I don't think he's that good of a trader to pull that one off.
VoidCreature
Before you see the light, you must die.
The upgrade to our D doesn't have to come from the Ducks.
And the Palmieri trade was genius because Shero knew Palmieri was this kind of player. If you look at his points/60 on the Ducks, it's pretty easy to predict that this is the kind of impact he was going to have if he was given more ice time.
Shero makes mistakes like anyone, but he's amazing when it comes to identifying talent. That's our saving grace here. We don't need to pay a premium for the biggest names if our GM can see things in players other GMs can't.
There's no reason for Devils fans to be anything other than overwhelmingly optimistic about the future of our team. We're not in a position where we have to take whatever deal we can get to improve our D immediately. I think we've got a shot at the playoffs this year, but Shero's not going to have a knee jerk reaction if that's not the case. We're playing the long game.
Devilsfan118
Sing us a song, you're the Schiano man
Pretty sure Whiskey just likes making terrible proposals to watch people argue with eachother.
This makes no sense for either team.
This makes no sense for either team.
Zippy316
aka Zippo
I don't see a deal working out, especially not on here.
It's definitely very interesting, because they seem like good trading partners. NJ has an overload of LWs which Anaheim could use, but I don't think they'd be willing to deal any of them right now.
A deal around Cammalleri for Fowler seems like it could work for Anaheim as they are in a win-now mode, but it doesn't clear the salary space they're looking for when they're dealing Fowler. I also don't foresee the Devils being ready to trade Cammalleri right now until the kids are ready.
A deal around Boucher or Blandisi where the Devils are adding is ideal for the Devils but the Ducks have no incentive there. They would be taking a massive risk on those kids to fit in on their team and make a viable impact. Plus, that would likely be a quantity over quality move.
Honestly, I think there is something there between Cammalleri and Fowler. It's a very unique trade though and very risky one for both sides, for various reasons.
It's definitely very interesting, because they seem like good trading partners. NJ has an overload of LWs which Anaheim could use, but I don't think they'd be willing to deal any of them right now.
A deal around Cammalleri for Fowler seems like it could work for Anaheim as they are in a win-now mode, but it doesn't clear the salary space they're looking for when they're dealing Fowler. I also don't foresee the Devils being ready to trade Cammalleri right now until the kids are ready.
A deal around Boucher or Blandisi where the Devils are adding is ideal for the Devils but the Ducks have no incentive there. They would be taking a massive risk on those kids to fit in on their team and make a viable impact. Plus, that would likely be a quantity over quality move.
Honestly, I think there is something there between Cammalleri and Fowler. It's a very unique trade though and very risky one for both sides, for various reasons.
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