Podcast (Audio) Former NHL Exec: Draft Lottery 'Tragic' For Detroit, 'Disgrace' For League

[odin1981]

The only thing about the draft that I don't understand is that for the most part barring outrageous odds only the worst team drops back 3 spots. However what most have been harping about (that we drop back 2 spots) is actually the statistical norm under this setup. The main thing though is this was just a knee jerk reaction the owners had to Edmonton having atrocious management + getting a bunch of #1's in a short period of time.

What is probably the best fix is to revert draft back to what every other sport does but if a team wins in back to back years make it so they get a fixed #3 for 2 years so they stop that kind of EDM like run of luck.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

The only thing about the draft that I don't understand is that for the most part barring outrageous odds only the worst team drops back 3 spots. However what most have been harping about (that we drop back 2 spots) is actually the statistical norm under this setup. The main thing though is this was just a knee jerk reaction the owners had to Edmonton having atrocious management + getting a bunch of #1's in a short period of time.

What is probably the best fix is to revert draft back to what every other sport does but if a team wins in back to back years make it so they get a fixed #3 for 2 years so they stop that kind of EDM like run of luck.

Well the problem now and why they may not be able to is they will overreact to whatever happens and the Astros and 76ers showed you get a more competitive roster by sucking, odds be damned, until you’re good. So instead of taking steps to disincentivize “The Process”, they just jiggle lotteries and lottery odds.

Want to discourage tanking? Have an independent third party with literally no skin in the game rule on this. So they look at say Buffalo 2014-2015 with clear tanking moves and say “no, you go to the back of the lottery line.

Stopping tanking is a noble goal. But so many of the measures don’t differentiate “this team just sucks copious amounts of ass“ vs “this team is actually going out of its way to suck copious amounts of ass”.

 

[odin1981]

Well the problem now and why they may not be able to is they will overreact to whatever happens and the Astros and 76ers showed you get a more competitive roster by sucking, odds be damned, until you’re good. So instead of taking steps to disincentivize “The Process”, they just jiggle lotteries and lottery odds.

Want to discourage tanking? Have an independent third party with literally no skin in the game rule on this. So they look at say Buffalo 2014-2015 with clear tanking moves and say “no, you go to the back of the lottery line.

Stopping tanking is a noble goal. But so many of the measures don’t differentiate “this team just sucks copious amounts of ass“ vs “this team is actually going out of its way to suck copious amounts of ass”.

The 76's and Astro's were not in a punitive lottery. Though only the Astro's made something of their spoils. They both had the standard last gets first lottery that is common in US pro sport's.

The problem with the current NHL lottery is it's just too random. And now with modern scouting scouring the globe you won't have the Wings that reloaded on elite talent doing what 90% of the league isn't.

If it goes back to the standard format, but has if multiple times one team picks first which is what caused the problem they are stuck on #3 for a couple years it's a simple fix. Then in those years #2 and #3 teams move up a spot. It would punish inept organizational management from swooping up all the top picks.

 

[jkutswings]

Want to discourage tanking? Have an independent third party with literally no skin in the game rule on this. So they look at say Buffalo 2014-2015 with clear tanking moves and say “no, you go to the back of the lottery line.

I've suggested this very line of thinking, albeit by having the NHL Competition Committee actually doing their job and handling it themselves.

Punish the (occasional) true offenders with swift and supreme justice - maybe forfeit a first rounder altogether - rather than hamstringing a third of the league with a cotton headed ninny muggins of a system.

 

[ricky0034]

Edmonton, Toronto, New Jersey, Buffalo, Florida, Columbus, Colorado, Montreal all have "elite talent". They all have "elite talent" from drafting at the top of the draft.

That "elite talent" has not resulted in building successful hockey teams that win championships, let alone compete for them. They continue to look forward to the draft lottery every year, as their rebuilds fail to be jumpstarted by their high picks

what's even your point here? that because some teams have elite talent and are still bad it somehow means you don't need elite talent to be a good team?

 

[Squirrel in the Hole]

Oh and finally Brian Burke is a massive tool but even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then, eh?

Don't sue me, Brian. You're not an actual tool, ok?

Tools are useful.

Hey, that's an insult to squirrels everywhere

Agree that GM's and owners need to speak up, not say things like "we didn't expect to pick sooner than 4th". That roll over and take it attitude didn't look good when Jim Caldwell did it for the Lions a few years ago and it doesn't look good now.

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Hey, that's an insult to squirrels everywhere

Agree that GM's and owners need to speak up, not say things like "we didn't expect to pick sooner than 4th". That roll over and take it attitude didn't look good when Jim Caldwell did it for the Lions a few years ago and it doesn't look good now.

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

The two things are not the same.

Caldwell should have been up spewing fire from dawn until dusk, because his team lost and lost a chance to try again because the league rules enforced a review and then a 10 second run off. They called a TD and all TDs must be reviewed. And then they ran all the time off the clock, even though teams have shown time and again you can line up within 7 seconds if you hurry. Like the Lions actually got screwed on that call. The Wings? This was the most statistically likely thing to happen... it was dumb, but it was also a rule that the entire league signed off on and the results occurred by pure chance.

To be more clear, the Wings got unlucky. The Lions got screwed. Raise hell when you're screwed, not when you're unlucky.