For the Record Books, Would the Play-Ins and Round Robin be considered Playoffs or it's own thing?
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EdJovanovski
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For players stats; I'd think the fairest would be they counts as regular season games as they are making up for games that were missed in the regular season.
Luigi Lemieux
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I think they'll get recorded as regular season stats. They're not the playoffs so they won't be considered playoff stats. The play-in games are a replacement for finishing out the regular season.
TheGoldenJet
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This is a huge sticking point for me. I agree with those hoping that the play-ins will count as regular season stats. Playoff stats should start being counted when we get to the final 16 teams and everything before that (both play-ins and round robin) should be counted as regular season statistics.
I hope that’s how they pull it off, but I can see the greedy NHL trying to force the “playoff” idea down peoples throats (especially people from the rich Chicago and Montreal markets) and entice them into thinking this is the “first round” of the playoffs, and count the play-in series stats as playoff stats, which would be viewed in a very poor light by most loyal NHL fans.
I hope that’s how they pull it off, but I can see the greedy NHL trying to force the “playoff” idea down peoples throats (especially people from the rich Chicago and Montreal markets) and entice them into thinking this is the “first round” of the playoffs, and count the play-in series stats as playoff stats, which would be viewed in a very poor light by most loyal NHL fans.
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I wonder if it will have it's own category? Like "Round Robin" or something, and it shows the 3-5 games played.
I think the final answer is it depends upon what the NHL does in future seasons. If a 24 teaan olayoff is here to stay then its playoff games. If we have 16 team playoffs in the future then the play-in games probably become a weird piece of history that doesn't really belong anywhere as regular season or playoffs.
BlueBull
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So i initially voted option 2 - thinking of changing to option 1 though. Simply put i don't know yet the exact format or what the round robin will look like - if it's meant/designed to be competitive, with seeding a big prize - playoffs. If it's just practice to get in-shape, neither/nor and it's like pre-season games if not.
But I think play-ins will 100% be considered playoffs. So for example if Pens win the cup and Crosby or Malkin end up with ~50 points but in 31 games played (instead of max of 28 w/4 rounds) and beat the record - well good for them. From a historical point of view - it'll be similar to how 92-93 and 93-94 seasons had 84 games, whereas most years prior had 80, and we've since gone down to 82 games. Nobody only counts the 'first 80' games of the 92-93 season. When you compare historically to other playoffs - you adjust for games played though.
But I think play-ins will 100% be considered playoffs. So for example if Pens win the cup and Crosby or Malkin end up with ~50 points but in 31 games played (instead of max of 28 w/4 rounds) and beat the record - well good for them. From a historical point of view - it'll be similar to how 92-93 and 93-94 seasons had 84 games, whereas most years prior had 80, and we've since gone down to 82 games. Nobody only counts the 'first 80' games of the 92-93 season. When you compare historically to other playoffs - you adjust for games played though.
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Counting them as regular season games is very clearly wrong. Imagine a player losing the Art Ross or Rocket Richard because his team was too good to be on the fringe.
MLB counts play-in games as playoff games.
MLB counts play-in games as playoff games.
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I dunno though, how is it fair for Ottawa, Detroit, L.A, Buffalo, Anaheim, N.J and San Jose? Even though players will often say they don't care about individual stats, most of them definitely do. Some players have bonuses based on production, so if you play for a team that is out already, I don't think it's "fair" that other players have a chance to improve their stats, while these 7 teams don't.
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Was wondering this quite a bit myself
Not sure it's really a poll-type question as the NHL will just decide one way
I was imagining that every game would count as playoff stats, but maybe it'd be better to have the first ones as RS? Tricky to say, maybe there's precedent from the 30s or something
Not sure it's really a poll-type question as the NHL will just decide one way
I was imagining that every game would count as playoff stats, but maybe it'd be better to have the first ones as RS? Tricky to say, maybe there's precedent from the 30s or something
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I don’t think they’re going to count the play-in round, or round robin play as playoff stats.
It would mess up stats for the Conn Smythe.
It would mess up stats for the Conn Smythe.
You assume nhl and nhlpa will come up with a compromise for things tied to bonuses and level the playing field. Id assume "pacing out" for players who were healthy when nhl stopped. So if an ottawa guy is 2 points away from a bonus - he gets it.
However they do it they wont give an unfair advantage to those playing
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The playoffs have not always featured 16 teams, nor best of 7 series, nor required 16 wins to win the Cup, nor even been based on wins and losses (total goal differential). The one thing all formats have had in common is that they're single elimination. You have to include the play-ins as playoffs unless you're also going to throw out ~20 years of history. The rumored round robin to determine seeding isn't an elimination format and therefore shouldn't count as anything.
Mickey Marner
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Play-in games are their own thing. Also, there is no round robin. Round robin is not synonymous with preliminary round. A round robin is a pre-knockout stage where everyone plays each other like in the Olympics or the world cup.
I hope it counts as regular season. I want McDavid to get to 100 points again
