Rumor: Flyers working on Carter Hart trade

Petes2424

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The reality is, teams just aren’t going to give up prime assets until Hart shows some consistency playing better than he has over the last 130 games. That’s obviously been the case as he’s still in Philly.

His first 75 games (in the NHL) he was a .915 save %, but his last 130 games, he’s been under .900. That’s a major concern, as it’s pushing double the length over his career.

This is where teams “Buy Low”, not pay a significant price, then hope and pray.

It’s been 3 years now. So while teams give some consideration to the quality of shots a goalie is facing (on a bad team) that might effect his save percentage, in his situation, it’s much more likely this is who he now is. Once again, it’s been 3 years.

Teams will want to see at least “half of a season” of consistently better play from Hart, before offering anywhere close to what we’ve seen proposed in this post. If they had received offers like we’re seeing proposed, he’d have been traded already.

Teams no longer see him as the great prospect he once was. He’ll be 25 this year. That ship has sailed.

In comparison, a player like Gibson, who’s also struggled his last 100 games playing for a really bad team, spent the 5 seasons prior to that, as a Top Goaltender in the best league in the world. Teams will be much quicker to send those prime assets to Anaheim for Gibson, than to Philly for Hart. That’s just the reality of how things work.

So it’s the worst time to trade Hart. We know they tried a month ago and he’s still in Philadelphia. If they do want to move him, the only way they’ll get a nice return, is if he plays a significant number of games at a high level. At least half of this coming season.

You just won’t find a manager, willing to spend those prime assets until then.
 

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The reality is, teams just aren’t going to give up prime assets until Hart shows some consistency playing better than he has over the last 130 games. That’s obviously been the case as he’s still in Philly.

His first 75 games (in the NHL) he was a .915 save %, but his last 130 games, he’s been under .900. That’s a major concern, as it’s pushing double the length over his career.

This is where teams “Buy Low”, not pay a significant price, then hope and pray.

It’s been 3 years now. So while teams give some consideration to the quality of shots a goalie is facing (on a bad team) that might effect his save percentage, in his situation, it’s much more likely this is who he now is. Once again, it’s been 3 years.

Teams will want to see at least “half of a season” of consistently better play from Hart, before offering anywhere close to what we’ve seen proposed in this post. If they had received offers like we’re seeing proposed, he’d have been traded already.

Teams no longer see him as the great prospect he once was. He’ll be 25 this year. That ship has sailed.

In comparison, a player like Gibson, who’s also struggled his last 100 games playing for a really bad team, spent the 5 seasons prior to that, as a Top Goaltender in the best league in the world. Teams will be much quicker to send those prime assets to Anaheim for Gibson, than to Philly for Hart. That’s just the reality of how things work.

So it’s the worst time to trade Hart. We know they tried a month ago and he’s still in Philadelphia. If they do want to move him, the only way they’ll get a nice return, is if he plays a significant number of games at a high level. At least half of this coming season.

You just won’t find a manager, willing to spend those prime assets until then.

This is a top notch assessment of Carter Hart's career thus far, may I also add that he has been playing behind one of the worst group of defensemen in the entire NHL during his career so far. You could have a vintage Ken Dryden behind that horrific defence and he'd look mediocre as well.
 

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I think Helly with retention gets you better pick return frankly.
From the flyers side Helly is an improvement in goal which is counterintuitive to the tank.

Also, to really get deadline value you need a playoff contender who has a real wart at goal. If you’re headed into the playoffs already it’s unlikely you’re moving assets. So you’re basically trading one of your best assets hoping you can flip the return when a contender looses a goaltender.

Too many contingencies for it to work from the flyers end.
 

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Flyers should keep Hart and build up the team. You can pin quite a bit on him but come on, now. He's a legit franchise netminder. Are the Flyers rebuilding so they want to trade him to speed up the rebuild or something?

If Montreal was going to trade for Hart, I think they'd have done it at the draft.
The Habs have negative capspace and are handcuffed right now by ~22M worth of IR and LTIR.
 
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ponder719

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One has to ask the simplest question In the world....

He's relatively young and if he's that good, why is Philly trading him if he can be their "franchise" goalie before he turns 30?

The fact that he hasn't been traded tells us that GMs don't think he's top 20 material.
Why are we trading him? Because the remainder of the team sucks, needs to suck for a prolonged period of time so we can fix that, and goalie is one of the few organizational strengths.

Why aren't GMs trading for him? Probably because he could potentially be implicated in the Hockey Canada scandal, and I don't imagine anyone's eager to trade for him before the report comes out.
 

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The reality is, teams just aren’t going to give up prime assets until Hart shows some consistency playing better than he has over the last 130 games. That’s obviously been the case as he’s still in Philly.

His first 75 games (in the NHL) he was a .915 save %, but his last 130 games, he’s been under .900. That’s a major concern, as it’s pushing double the length over his career.

This is where teams “Buy Low”, not pay a significant price, then hope and pray.

It’s been 3 years now. So while teams give some consideration to the quality of shots a goalie is facing (on a bad team) that might effect his save percentage, in his situation, it’s much more likely this is who he now is. Once again, it’s been 3 years.

Teams will want to see at least “half of a season” of consistently better play from Hart, before offering anywhere close to what we’ve seen proposed in this post. If they had received offers like we’re seeing proposed, he’d have been traded already.

Teams no longer see him as the great prospect he once was. He’ll be 25 this year. That ship has sailed.

In comparison, a player like Gibson, who’s also struggled his last 100 games playing for a really bad team, spent the 5 seasons prior to that, as a Top Goaltender in the best league in the world. Teams will be much quicker to send those prime assets to Anaheim for Gibson, than to Philly for Hart. That’s just the reality of how things work.

So it’s the worst time to trade Hart. We know they tried a month ago and he’s still in Philadelphia. If they do want to move him, the only way they’ll get a nice return, is if he plays a significant number of games at a high level. At least half of this coming season.

You just won’t find a manager, willing to spend those prime assets until then.
Lmao. What an obtuse post. I’m not rehashing this all again but compare his career to date at his age to other goalies and there’s fantastic names on there.
 

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I could definitely see the Habs making a move for Hart and rather soon, if only they deem him the appropriate candidate to be a part of their young core.

They have invested high picks and made trades to address other positions and while the ultimate potential of their young players is not yet certain, they at least have in place the candidates to fill those crucial roles.

Goaltending is their most glaring weakness, especially since the Habs core probably won't allow them to rely on some random goalie as some contenders seem to be able to pull off. They have drafted Fowler, who's reportedly a good prospect, but you can hardly bet your rebuild on a recent 3rd round pick panning out just in time for a contending window to open.

If the Habs value Hart, they'll make an offer, just like they did with Dach and Newhook.
 
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One has to ask the simplest question In the world....

He's relatively young and if he's that good, why is Philly trading him if he can be their "franchise" goalie before he turns 30?

The fact that he hasn't been traded tells us that GMs don't think he's top 20 material.
Or, the flyers aren’t looking to trade him but teams are calling in him because he is a top 20 goalie.
 
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Flyers should keep Hart and build up the team. You can pin quite a bit on him but come on, now. He's a legit franchise netminder. Are the Flyers rebuilding so they want to trade him to speed up the rebuild or something?


The Habs have negative capspace and are handcuffed right now by ~22M worth of IR and LTIR.
They're only 600k over - including salaries retained, bought out, placed on IR, and LTIR. They can be 10% over in the summer.
 

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They're only 600k over - including salaries retained, bought out, placed on IR, and LTIR. They can be 10% over in the summer.
With still Newhook to sign, i would not say they are in the clear capwise unless they pay to trade Hoffman or Armia.
 

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From the flyers side Helly is an improvement in goal which is counterintuitive to the tank.

Also, to really get deadline value you need a playoff contender who has a real wart at goal. If you’re headed into the playoffs already it’s unlikely you’re moving assets. So you’re basically trading one of your best assets hoping you can flip the return when a contender looses a goaltender.

Too many contingencies for it to work from the flyers end.
If Philly is looking for a tank commander in the pipes, let's figure out something with Jack Campbell. Just kidding, but not really.
One has to ask the simplest question In the world....

He's relatively young and if he's that good, why is Philly trading him if he can be their "franchise" goalie before he turns 30?

The fact that he hasn't been traded tells us that GMs don't think he's top 20 material.
Just because Philly hasn't received an offer they feel is enough doesn't mean that other GMs don't value Hart highly. The biggest issues aren't Hart's play or potential, but Philly's place as a rebuilding team makes it hard to offer what they probably want for Hart. Trading 1st round picks and top tier centre prospects doesn't make sense for other teams, but dumping Hart for bums, depth picks and Longshot prospects probably doesn't make sense for Philly either.
 
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No way. The flyers should only trade Hart for the picks he would return and to be tank.

Picking up assets to flip them is a poor idea.

Trade Hart for a 1st and 2nd.
If that was the ask, I think the Sabres would not let it pass. Or, at least, should not.
 

Jersey Fresh

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The position as a whole has declined considerably.
Still doesn’t make Hart’s value a 1st++ or a potential “franchise” goalie. If anything, it dilutes his value by highlighting how volatile the position is. Why would you ever spend a 1st plus when you see goalies picked up for peanuts lead teams to the playoffs and beyond?
 
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