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Detroit needed to win more games earlier in the year. Didn’t they lose a couple in the last month to the Caps? Missing the playoffs is more than just the last game.
I'm not assigning blame anywhere, buddy. It didn't make a difference to me. I'm just saying that, on a personal note, it feels like pulling the goalie with more than three minutes left is a bad if not questionable decision. Acknowledging that nobody knows what happens in alternate realities where the goalie is or is not pulled is neither a deep nor interesting contribution. By that strand of analysis, why not ask the question of why he didn't start the game with an empty net because we'll never know what might have happened!? Why go out of your way to make a point with which nobody was bothering?But teh analytics say ...
If Torts doesn't pull the goalie early and the Flyers don't win in regulation, he gets blamed for not pulling the goalie earlier. Especially if other games break such that a regulation win would have put the Flyers in the 2WC spot pending the Penguins game tonight. For all we know, he could have left the goalie in and Washington still would have scored. Or, it would have gone to OT and Washington might have won it there. Or, it could have gone to the shootout and Washington might have won it there.
No one knows, and anyone trying to guess is speculating without any proof at all. Stick to the facts we know. Again, this ultimately comes down to Detroit not doing what it should have earlier in the season and being stuck in the situation where it needed to win and get other help to get in. Don't blame others for not helping Detroit out, blame Detroit for not getting its shit together and avoiding being in that spot.
That's an old pic.
Detroit should have beat Pens in their last game, would have been in.Detroit needed to win more games earlier in the year. Didn’t they lose a couple in the last month to the Caps? Missing the playoffs is more than just the last game.
By "that strand of analysis" you should ask why Tortorella didn't just play 18 forwards, too.Acknowledging that nobody knows what happens in alternate realities where the goalie is or is not pulled is neither a deep nor interesting contribution. By that strand of analysis, why not ask the question of why he didn't start the game with an empty net because we'll never know what might have happened!? Why go out of your way to make a point with which nobody was bothering?
I like my wingzz extra saltyyeah man, the Wings have sucked so much, I've only had the pleasure of watching them win 4 Cups, one of them probably the easiest Cup final of all time in 1998
enlighten me on all the Cups you've seen your beloved Capitals win...?
enjoy getting swept by the Rangers, your -175 goal differential this year really shows you deserve to be in the playoffs
Guentzl?Really?
And what did they sell exactly, limonade?
Also, can't imagine Torts would be the kind of coach to allow his video coach to be yelling out live updates to him on the bench while actively trying to keep his team focused on trying to win the game in regulation.Answer this.
What would have happened if Torts finds out Detroit scores 1 minute before he decides to pull his goalie, so never ends up doing so, only to find out the goal was challenged and overturned? He would have looked the fool. So to prevent that, he stuck to his plan and let the chips fall where they may.
Things happened fast and its easy while sitting on a couch to second guess, but on real time, while fighting for their season they made the call that was best beneficial to the Flyers. Any one of us would have done the same and your a liar if you claim otherwise.
When was the Penguins' stage of sucking? They're 8-1-3 in their last 12 games.
This is one of the dumbest ideas in a thread full of dumbness. Why on earth would the league go out of its way and reschedule games, just to make things convenient for the Detroit Red Wings? Why not make things convenient for the Philadelphia Flyers, or Washington Capitals instead? How is any of that remotely reasonable, to pick a team to make a convenience for? Specifically to make a single game strategy decision by Torts no longer meaningful. This thought process only exists in HF fans brains, not in any real world run by professionals.
How's this: Make the Wings game start when the Caps/Flyers game is completely over, since the only team that controlled their destiny was the Caps? Caps win, then the Wings can mail it in. Caps lose in OT or regulation, then the Wings have a chance and a reason to play hard. Yeah, this is still stupid.
Here's a better idea... everyone just plays to win the game, and the chips all fall where they fall. Torts needed to win in regulation to have any chance. He also needed to win in regulation to eliminate the Caps. So regardless of what happened in Detroit, Torts wants to eliminate the Caps with a regulation win, which may easily explain why he pulled the goalie without checking with Wings fans first to see if it was OK.
You need to get outside today budwrong
it was AT LEAST 2 and a half minutes. I was watching both games, so youre flat out wrong
Comprehending just fine that the Red Wings are out and Wings fans are being absolutely delusional in their takes. I’m sure 31 fan bases agree.How can you not comprehend what is being said? Mind boggling stuff.
So you’re saying that nobody can or should question any coaching decision by virtue of the fact that they cannot know what would have happened in an alternate reality? Great take!By "that strand of analysis" you should ask why Tortorella didn't just play 18 forwards, too.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, no one thinks just start the game 6-on-5, leave the net empty, try to get the first goal is a rational decision when trying to win a game in regulation .... except, apparently you for mentioning it. As I noted (and which you seem to want to argue about), the only reason anyone is questioning it after the fact is because it didn't work in the moment - but no one, including you, has any idea whether your idea would have worked or not and someone who thinks what he did makes sense might well criticize your idea had it been employed and it didn't work either.
But, if you need to go tilt at windmills with non sequitur statements, help yourself.
Teams pull their goalies much earlier now, it’s a new trend. I’ve seen them pull goalie with 5-6 minutes left down by 2, and those teams are just trying to get to OT.I'm not assigning blame anywhere, buddy. It didn't make a difference to me. I'm just saying that, on a personal note, it feels like pulling the goalie with more than three minutes left is a bad if not questionable decision. Acknowledging that nobody knows what happens in alternate realities where the goalie is or is not pulled is neither a deep nor interesting contribution. By that strand of analysis, why not ask the question of why he didn't start the game with an empty net because we'll never know what might have happened!? Why go out of your way to make a point with which nobody was bothering?
Should Tortorella pull the goalie in a tie game? Obviously the answer is "yes" because the condition going in is to win it in regulation. It's not his job to monitor the scoreboard or to put up a fight for some other club's sake, and I've never said otherwise. However, the amount of time on the clock is a fair question since the convention on pulling the net minder is almost always closer to sixty seconds than two-hundred.
Patrick Roy disagreesSo you’re saying that nobody can or should question any coaching decision by virtue of the fact that they cannot know what would have happened in an alternate reality? Great take!
Convention when pulling the goalie is much closer to 60-seconds than 200-seconds. But by all means, continue to challenge anyone that dared to raise an eyebrow.
Or the fact the Wings NEEDED to watch the other game. Flyers and Caps did not. AS we now know. Once the caps won their game meant nothing. Figuring this shit out is not hard.The Wings were. But I guess that's just beyond Tortorella's and his assistants' ability
SOMEONE WHO GETS IT.Imagine thinking any other team owes you anything. Torts job is to win, he did what he thought put his team in the best position to win. I mean, that's what I want from a coach.
You missed the playoffs because you failed to win enough games full stop. Take ownership.. the team wasn't good enough.the salt? what are you talking about? We missed the playoffs because Washington was given a freebie. This is now 8 years since we've seen a playoff game. Were supposed to be cheerful and happy about it? Like it would be concerning if Wings fans and players werent salty after getting hosed like that
I agree with the first half of your statement, but also what Torts' thinks is the best position to win is pretty laughable. Torts had Scott Laughton, Noah Cates,, and Garnet Hatheway on the ice for the final 30+ seconds of a game while trailing by a goal. Morgan Frost took his last shift of the game with 30 minutes remaining, despite the Flyers only scoring 1 goal in the game (and desperately needing a goal in the 3rd period). Cam Atkinson only took one shift after the first period. Gotta make sure that you are able to give Ryan Poehling 19 minutes of ice time, I guess.Imagine thinking any other team owes you anything. Torts job is to win, he did what he thought put his team in the best position to win. I mean, that's what I want from a coach.
I want a coach who is smart enough to know that Hathaway is not the player to send out as an extra attacker with 3 minutes left needing a goal.Imagine thinking any other team owes you anything. Torts job is to win, he did what he thought put his team in the best position to win. I mean, that's what I want from a coach.