Flyers pull goalie approximately 1 minute after being eliminated, gift Caps playoff spot

TheDawnOfANewTage

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That’s a real Oshie-sized kick to the dick for Wings fans, but that’s why you don’t hit the skids. If Torts two towns over is gonna f*** up your season you didn’t have a chance to begin with.
 
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Toby91ca

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I've got news for you just because some might do that doesn't mean everyone does that. Torts even said the video guys knew.
Totally, the Wings bench 100% knew the outcome of the WSH game before their SO ended. Not sure when they knew, but sometime between end of regulation and SO they knew.
 

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So the team personnel who are responsible for monitoring the live games for potential offsides couldn't possibly be expected to track relevant scores around the league and communicate updates to the coaching staff behind the bench?

It would be very easy for coaches to stay updated and informed about the status of those other games.
What if the Red Wings goal was challenged for offside or goalie interference? That would have taken a few minutes to determine and it would have been to late for Philly to react.

Torts did what he had to do in the moment for HIS team. As any one of us would have done as well. There is no conspiracy
 
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I’m sure the folks up in the press box were watching the Detroit game, but that last-second goal needed to be contemplated for a stunned moment, then relayed down to the bench, then communicated to Torts. Bearing in mind that the decision had already been made to pull the goalie… it’s not like you can get the information to Torts 3 seconds before the goalie leaves the net. He still needs time to understand what’s being said and relay it to his players.

It would have been one thing if Detroit were cruising to an easy win. In that case it would have been realistic for everyone on the Flyers bench to get on the same page. But the way it played out, it’s not realistic to think everyone was going to snap into perfect motion to change their strategy instantly.
I'm sure others have said it (I didn't read all 17 pages of this thread), but there's a lot of sloppy talk here and elsewhere online conflating when DET scored and when Philly was eliminated. DET scoring did not eliminate Philly, and thus was not particularly relevant to Torts in the moment. The only relevant event is DET securing the point. While this may seem like a distinction without a difference given how late the DET goal came, when we're talking about judging the Flyers/Torts' conduct based on the passage of literally seconds here, the distinction matters. The DET goal could have been reviewed. And then there was some fractional chance MTL scores in the final 3.3 seconds. While there was still time on the clock in DET, no sane human charged with updating Torts about the DET game is going to come barreling down the tunnel to interrupt Tort's coaching a life-or-death game 82 in order to convey the fact that DET seemed LIKELY to have secured a point, because that has zero impact on Torts' strategy. Torts is still going to be playing to his outs by trying to win in regulation until there are no outs left. So you don't update Torts until everything is settled in Detroit. That's just basic common sense.

So when was everything actually settled in Detroit? Again, there's a lot of conflation between when DET scored and when regulation ended. But there was some time lapse between those 2 events. For one thing, the clock had to be reviewed and reset from 0.7 to 3.3 seconds after DET goal. Then there was the normal delay of the teams changing, and lining up for the post-goal faceoff. Then the puck was dropped and the final 3.3 seconds ticked off. Only then is there something to report to Torts. That's the moment when the Philly video guy (or whomever was tasked with that unfortunate job) would have gone to the bench to attempt to convey the news to Torts. But that video guy is not going to literally interrupt Torts in the midst of live play or else he's liable to get slugged. So the video guy is going to wait for the next whistle to inform Torts of DET going to overtime. And I'm almost certain the next whistle after the end of DET regulation was the whistle acknowledging that Washington had scored the empty-netter.

And that's also exactly what Torts said happened. He explicitly said in the post-game presser that he was told about the DET result right after Washington scored. That lines up.
 

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There was a full minute of play in the Flyers-Caps game between the preceding faceoff and the empty net goal. Anyone trying to blame Tortorella is talking nonsense.

If they were trying to watch the game, it would be 1 minute + delayed from real time anyways.

Unless they are listening to the radio broadcast from the bench.

Its ridiculous to think they were scoreboard watching instead of trying to focus on the game they were playing and trying to win

If you don't want your team's fate in the hands of the coaching decisions in a completely different game, maybe don't lose twice in the last month to the team you're in direct competition with for the final playoff spot.

Ya bro, why they mad? Just win more, losers
 

Ovi895

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Even if the Flyers knew they were eliminated, why should they deviate from their original game plan? What is the benefit for them?

Pull goalie - look like a chad, potentially win in regulation, if not win in regulation then eliminate the team that eliminated you (revenge is a dish best served immediately), get off the ice faster instead of playing more agonizing meaningless minutes

Don't pull goalie - look like a cuck for trying to help out a team that just eliminated you, look like a double cuck for trying to help out the Penguins, potentially play more meaningless hockey.

So, again, WHY should the Flyers have not done what they did?
 

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I'm sure others have said it (I didn't read all 17 pages of this thread), but there's a lot of sloppy talk here and elsewhere online conflating when DET scored and when Philly was eliminated. DET scoring did not eliminate Philly, and thus was not particularly relevant to Torts in the moment. The only relevant event is DET securing the point. While this may seem like a distinction without a difference given how late the DET goal came, when we're talking about judging the Flyers/Torts' conduct based on the passage of literally seconds here, the distinction matters. The DET goal could have been reviewed. And then there was some fractional chance MTL scores in the final 3.3 seconds. While there was still time on the clock in DET, no sane human charged with updating Torts about the DET game is going to come barreling down the tunnel to interrupt Tort's coaching a life-or-death game 82 in order to convey the fact that DET seemed LIKELY to have secured a point, because that has zero impact on Torts' strategy. Torts is still going to be playing to his outs by trying to win in regulation until there are no outs left. So you don't update Torts until everything is settled in Detroit. That's just basic common sense.

So when was everything actually settled in Detroit? Again, there's a lot of conflation between when DET scored and when regulation ended. But there was some time lapse between those 2 events. For one thing, the clock had to be reviewed and reset from 0.7 to 3.3 seconds after DET goal. Then there was the normal delay of the teams changing, and lining up for the post-goal faceoff. Then the puck was dropped and the final 3.3 seconds ticked off. Only then is there something to report to Torts. That's the moment when the Philly video guy (or whomever was tasked with that unfortunate job) would have gone to the bench to attempt to convey the news to Torts. But that video guy is not going to literally interrupt Torts in the midst of live play or else he's liable to get slugged. So the video guy is going to wait for the next whistle to inform Torts of DET going to overtime. And I'm almost certain the next whistle after the end of DET regulation was the whistle acknowledging that Washington had scored the empty-netter.

And that's also exactly what Torts said happened. He explicitly said in the post-game presser that he was told about the DET result right after Washington scored. That lines up.

For what it’s worth, watching the replay I have it at 1 minute 15 seconds from the puck going in the net till the faceoff being dropped.

At that point I flipped over to the Caps/Flyers game and the goalie was already out of the net, and Oshie had just started his rush. Call it a 2 minute difference between the two goals being scored.

Assuming the satellite feeds were on an equal delay, Torts pulled his goalie at almost exactly the same time the Wings scored. It was a matter of less than a minute for sure, not enough time to realize what had happened and change the decision to pull the goalie.
 

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For what it’s worth, watching the replay I have it at 1 minute 15 seconds from the puck going in the net till the faceoff being dropped.

At that point I flipped over to the Caps/Flyers game and the goalie was already out of the net, and Oshie had just started his rush. Call it a 2 minute difference between the two goals being scored.

Assuming the satellite feeds were on an equal delay, Torts pulled his goalie at almost exactly the same time the Wings scored. It was a matter of less than a minute for sure, not enough time to realize what had happened and change the decision to pull the goalie.

Right. People are somehow expecting Torts to be distracted by the Red Wings in the dying minutes of an extremely close game and completely deviate from his plan on a dime FOR ABSOLUTELY ZERO GAIN IN FACT NEGATIVE GAIN. If the Red Wings getting a point somehow made it more prudent for the Flyers (say them getting a point eliminated some team that had a tiebreaker with the Flyers and the Flyers suddenly just needed 2 points instead of regulation win 2 points) and Torts pulled the goalie, then they could rightfully get clowned on.
 

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How? He compromised the NHL playoffs by not knowing something that he should’ve known.
In real time, Detroit tied it 60 seconds before Torts pulled the goalie. With his season on the line, late in the game, do you think Torts is focused on games he has no control over, or the game he is involved with?
 

Rpenny

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Flyers needed to win in regulation, and needed the Wings to lose in regulation.

With 3 minutes left the Flyers and Caps were tied, and Detroit was losing with seconds left.

Pulling the goalie made sense. The Flyers would have been eliminated if they went to overtime. They had 3 minutes to score a goal or be eliminated, no matter what happened.


THis is what i meant. At the time it made sense. Flyers were done like dinner and were hoping to take the caps out with them. The move makes sense to me. Flyer wanted to take the caps out with them
 

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For what it’s worth, watching the replay I have it at 1 minute 15 seconds from the puck going in the net till the faceoff being dropped.
And just to restate my prior point more succinctly, that 75 seconds is NOT the relevant window for this discussion. The relevant window begins when the Detroit regulation ended, not when Detroit scored. It was at least 30 seconds after DET scored that regulation ended (including clock reset, puck drop, final 3.3 seconds, etc.). Probably closer to a minute. This makes the expectation (from others, not you) that Philly somehow react instantaneously to events in another game even more silly.

Had Washington iced the puck at the 3:00 mark, rather than scoring, and Torts left the goalie pulled so that Washington could score on an empty net sometime thereafter, I'd at least be somewhat open to the idea that Philly should have done better with their comms. But that is not what happened here. People complaining about how what Philly did are not being fair. Still super unfortunate timing for DET, but that's just bad luck not a result of bad behavior.
 

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I'm sure others have said it (I didn't read all 17 pages of this thread), but there's a lot of sloppy talk here and elsewhere online conflating when DET scored and when Philly was eliminated. DET scoring did not eliminate Philly, and thus was not particularly relevant to Torts in the moment. The only relevant event is DET securing the point. While this may seem like a distinction without a difference given how late the DET goal came, when we're talking about judging the Flyers/Torts' conduct based on the passage of literally seconds here, the distinction matters. The DET goal could have been reviewed. And then there was some fractional chance MTL scores in the final 3.3 seconds. While there was still time on the clock in DET, no sane human charged with updating Torts about the DET game is going to come barreling down the tunnel to interrupt Tort's coaching a life-or-death game 82 in order to convey the fact that DET seemed LIKELY to have secured a point, because that has zero impact on Torts' strategy. Torts is still going to be playing to his outs by trying to win in regulation until there are no outs left. So you don't update Torts until everything is settled in Detroit. That's just basic common sense.

So when was everything actually settled in Detroit? Again, there's a lot of conflation between when DET scored and when regulation ended. But there was some time lapse between those 2 events. For one thing, the clock had to be reviewed and reset from 0.7 to 3.3 seconds after DET goal. Then there was the normal delay of the teams changing, and lining up for the post-goal faceoff. Then the puck was dropped and the final 3.3 seconds ticked off. Only then is there something to report to Torts. That's the moment when the Philly video guy (or whomever was tasked with that unfortunate job) would have gone to the bench to attempt to convey the news to Torts. But that video guy is not going to literally interrupt Torts in the midst of live play or else he's liable to get slugged. So the video guy is going to wait for the next whistle to inform Torts of DET going to overtime. And I'm almost certain the next whistle after the end of DET regulation was the whistle acknowledging that Washington had scored the empty-netter.

And that's also exactly what Torts said happened. He explicitly said in the post-game presser that he was told about the DET result right after Washington scored. That lines up.
Do you really think the coaches only talk during stoppages in play? And whatever member of the Flyers was watching the Detroit game should have been able to quickly convey that there was no chance it would be reviewed.
 

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Flyers were doing what they should be doing - focusing on doing their part which was to win in regulation.

Trying to make this a thing that it's not is just buthurt feelings over missing the post season.

Flyers, Caps, Islanders, Wings and the Pens all went through stages of absolute sucking in the last 3 weeks of the season all had it in their own hand at some point and in the end, Islanders and Caps finished of the season the strongest.
 

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If the Flyers wanted to win maybe don’t bench Frost, Brink and Atkinson for the last 30 plus minutes. Torts played his no skill try hard guys for most of the game. He purposely played 9 forwards for most of the game.
That’s a fireable offense
 
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If the Flyers wanted to win maybe don’t bench Frost, Brink and Atkinson for the last 30 plus minutes. Torts played his no skill try hard guys for most of the game. He purposely played 9 forwards for most of the game.
That’s a fireable offense

I feared Atkinson and Hathaway scoring. Many Caps fans love Hathaway and Atkinson is a known Caps killer.
 

Lazlo Hollyfeld

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Torts said in the post game presser that he got info on the Detroit game right after the Caps scored the empty netter.

So can we close this thread now? And again, it was not started by a Wings fan.
 

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Even if the Flyers knew they were eliminated, why should they deviate from their original game plan? What is the benefit for them?

Pull goalie - look like a chad, potentially win in regulation, if not win in regulation then eliminate the team that eliminated you (revenge is a dish best served immediately), get off the ice faster instead of playing more agonizing meaningless minutes

Don't pull goalie - look like a cuck for trying to help out a team that just eliminated you, look like a double cuck for trying to help out the Penguins, potentially play more meaningless hockey.

So, again, WHY should the Flyers have not done what they did?
Pulling the goalie in a tie game and losing makes you look like total f***ing idiots or, if you rather, cucks bending over and giving favors to the team you’re facing rather than trying to win.
 

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Pulling the goalie in a tie game and losing makes you look like total f***ing idiots or, if you rather, cucks bending over and giving favors to the team you’re facing rather than trying to win.
How can you not comprehend what was happening? They had to win in regulation. Mind boggling stuff here.

Anyone who thinks Torts was trying to lose on purpose to screw Detroit is braindead. Why would he want the Caps to make it. He was doing what in that moment he had to do to give his team a shot.

Absolutely unbelievable use of brain power going on here.
 

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Pulling the goalie in a tie game and losing makes you look like total f***ing idiots or, if you rather, cucks bending over and giving favors to the team you’re facing rather than trying to win.
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