Flyers Off-Season Discussion: Flyers sign Dale Weise and Boyd Gordon

[BillDineen]

I don't want weise for 4 years.

 

[Random Forest]

Nothing wrong with a four year deal for Weise if it's 2.5 or less. That's a disposable contract with small downside risk that's easy to get out of by trade if need be. A lot like the Talbot deal. As long as AAV is small, I have no concern.

Also not seeing how it conflicts with Hextall's earlier comments. He preaches cautiousness, not total avoidance of term altogether. People seem to think when he mentions his reluctance to things like term, letting teenagers play, etc. that he's swearing off these things entirely... realistically, Hextall isn't ever categorical about making those decisions. Just that he's cautious. He has the right mindset. Lots of people seem to think categorically and assume that Hextall does too, but I don't think that right.

 

[hatcher]

He's young and has wheels. He'll play that out easy.

 

[Curufinwe]

Eh. I dont think he is as bad as you are saying. He is easily better than White who struggled here a lot. His advanced stats were mid road on some things, bad on others and good on others. What you typically get for a 4th line player.

Hextall is paying him like a 3rd liner, so that's where I think he fits in Philly.

 

[hatcher]

Hextall is paying him like a 3rd liner, so that's where I think he fits in Philly.

and he should.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Looks like Weise is done, per MDZ. Just keep the AAV low for 4 and sure.

 

[Striiker]

Nothing wrong with a four year deal for Weise if it's 2.5 or less. That's a disposable contract with small downside risk that's easy to get out of by trade if need be. A lot like the Talbot deal. As long as AAV is small, I have no concern.

Also not seeing how it conflicts with Hextall's earlier comments. He preaches cautiousness, not total avoidance of term altogether. People seem to think when he mentions his reluctance to things like term, letting teenagers play, etc. that he's swearing off these things entirely... realistically, Hextall isn't ever categorical about making those decisions. Just that he's cautious. He has the right mindset. Lots of people seem to think categorically and assume that Hextall does too, but I don't think that right.

A lot of people also misconstrue the whole "I'm not bringing prospects up until they're ready" as "I'm not bringing prospects up until they've played x-amount in this league and y-amount in this league". He's not going to rush them, but when they're ready he's not going to wait around for the sake of waiting.

 

[Curufinwe]

When Hexy talked about being scared of term, he must have mean term at $4.5m+.

I buy the idea that Weise could be dealt with like Talbot down the road if necessary.

 

[BillDineen]

Nothing wrong with a four year deal for Weise if it's 2.5 or less. That's a disposable contract with small downside risk that's easy to get out of by trade if need be. A lot like the Talbot deal. As long as AAV is small, I have no concern.

Also not seeing how it conflicts with Hextall's earlier comments. He preaches cautiousness, not total avoidance of term altogether. People seem to think when he mentions his reluctance to things like term, letting teenagers play, etc. that he's swearing off these things entirely... realistically, Hextall isn't ever categorical about making those decisions. Just that he's cautious. He has the right mindset. Lots of people seem to think categorically and assume that Hextall does too, but I don't think that right.

We'll see the cap hit, but it conflicts with this:

“July 1 is a funny day,†Hextall said. “Now the cap, it’s somewhat flat. Might be some guys out there who are good buys, but that is not going to happen July 1. It’s usually [July] 5th or 10th or 15th when guys figure out there’s not much out there.â€

 

[Striiker]

When Hexy talked about being scared of term, he must have mean term at $4.5m+.

I buy the idea that Weise could be dealt with like Talbot down the road if necessary.

Same. There's very little chance this deal hurts us. Not worried.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Weise for 4 years, $2.5M cap hit per year is a poor use of cap space, IMO.

Falling in love with a "heavy" checking line player who happened to score a few clutch playoff goals when he was younger and cheaper.

Sort of like the Talbot signing, who ultimately ended up being a buyout after they managed to dump him.

 

[hatcher]

Weise for 4 years, $2.5M cap hit per year is a poor use of cap space, IMO.

Falling in love with a "heavy" checking line player who happened to score a few clutch playoff goals when he was younger and cheaper.

Sort of like the Talbot signing, who ultimately ended up being a buyout after they managed to dump him.

those players are the sandpaper that helps guys out the g. Great signing.

 

[Jack de la Hoya]

I'm surprised how many of you are ok with this deal for Weise but rail on Matt Read.

 

[hatcher]

I'm surprised how many of you are ok with this deal for Weise but rail on Matt Read.

way better than read and way more will and compete.

 

[Curufinwe]

Well, Read is getting over $1m more, and has scored less at ES than Weise under his current contract.

Last two years:

Raffl - 149 games, 54 ESP
Weise - 150 games, 50 ESP
Read - 159 games, 43 ESP
VdV - 151 games, 28 ESP
White 107 games, 24 ESP
PEB - 155 games, 24 ESP

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

someone was going to get overpaid to improve the bottom 6, and Weise does that.
Unless you are ok with status quo on the 3rd and 4th line which was one of the worst bottom 6 in the league.
4 years is ok. not great but ok. a shorter deal means more $$$ per.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Great term for Weise.

 

[Random Forest]

I'm surprised how many of you are ok with this deal for Weise but rail on Matt Read.

If Read had a 2-2.5mm AAV, it would be similar.

 

[Striiker]

I'm surprised how many of you are ok with this deal for Weise but rail on Matt Read.

Read is getting paid $3.625m per year and isn't exactly outplaying Weise.

Weise at ~$2.5m is a better deal

 

[Random Forest]

Well, Read is getting over $1m more, and has scored less at ES than Weise under his current contract.

Last two years:

Raffl - 149 games, 54 ESP
Weise - 150 games, 50 ESP
Read - 159 games, 43 ESP
VdV - 151 games, 28 ESP
White 107 games, 24 ESP
PEB - 155 games, 24 ESP

Yep. Says all you need to know. Not a bad guy to target.

 

[BernieParent]

Weise for 4 years, $2.5M cap hit per year is a poor use of cap space, IMO.

Falling in love with a "heavy" checking line player who happened to score a few clutch playoff goals when he was younger and cheaper.

Sort of like the Talbot signing, who ultimately ended up being a buyout after they managed to dump him.

I can't say I'm thrilled with Weise as 3RW (in theory), but it's not an over-the-top bad contract. He'll help boost the 3rd-line production, and can contribute minutes in most situations.

The biggest need, however, remains getting a 3/4 centre. Fortunately, the names most covet are still in play.

 

[orangecrush8]

Still no confirmation on the Weise contract.

Maybe lower than originally speculated. I hope at least.

 

[Curufinwe]

It's also not guaranteed that the Flyers protect Weise in the ED.

G, Voracek, Coots, Simmonds, Schenn are locks for the first 5 protected forwards.

Then we have Raffl, Weise, Cousins and Laughton for the last two.

 

[santapore]

2.0m aav for weise <3

 

[Jray42]

Read is getting paid $3.625m per year and isn't exactly outplaying Weise.

Weise at ~$2.5m is a better deal

That doesn't make it a good deal.

I HATE this signing if it's 4 years 2.5 per. Hopefully he proves me wrong.