Flyers' 2017-18 roster discussion, part 5

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Pt. 4: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2344779&page=42
Pt. 3: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2221043&page=42
Pt. 2: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?p=131288713#post131288713
Pt. 1: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2172179

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[Danko]

Whats the story on Vecchione? Anyone think he has a shot of sticking with the team full time?

 

[Curufinwe]

He has a chance, but because he's waiver exempt until he has played 60 NHL games, he may start the year in the AHL.

https://www.capfriendly.com/waivers_calculator/michael-vecchione#results

 

[Tripod]

He has a chance, but because he's waiver exempt until he has played 60 NHL games, he may start the year in the AHL.

https://www.capfriendly.com/waivers_calculator/michael-vecchione#results

100% agreed.

Use the 1st of the year to figure out if guys like Laughton have a future with us. Vech can always be called up later or when injuries occur. Let him and Vorobyov get lots of ice time in LV.

 

[Curufinwe]

It will be interesting to see if Vecchione gets a 1-way deal, or a 2-way contract that pays him significantly less in the AHL. He might have expected to be in the NHL when he signed, but of course that was before the Flyers won one of the lottery picks.

Cousins was a on a 2-way deal this season that would have only paid him $70,000 in the AHL, but that didn't matter because he wasn't waiver exempt and was very unlikely to be waived.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/nick-cousins

 

[Hiesenberg]

I'm kind of surprised nothing official has been announced regarding Vecchione

 

[kammy]

what was the consensus here about Shattenkirk ?

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

what was the consensus here about Shattenkirk ?

Massively overrated. And if not massively overrated, at least somewhat overrated.

That's just my opinion of him, though, and it doesn't hold much water at the end of the day. For what it's worth, I think Trouba is overrated as well. Most of my feeling about these guys is related to their value/worth as signings or in potential trades rather than just looking at how good they are as players, and both of them are probably better for their current team than I am giving them credit for. I wouldn't want to move any assets or sacrifice cap space for either of them.

 

[Lotusflower]

what was the consensus here about Shattenkirk ?

Stay tf away. We already have Ghost. What's the need for Shattenkirk?

Add to the fact he's got a horrendous record when the games matter.

He's the Dman version of Schenn. Most of his value will come with PP production but he'll get eaten alive at ES if you dont shelter him.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Massively overrated. And if not massively overrated, at least somewhat overrated.

That's just my opinion of him, though, and it doesn't hold much water at the end of the day. For what it's worth, I think Trouba is overrated as well. Most of my feeling about these guys is related to their value/worth as signings or in potential trades rather than just looking at how good they are as players, and both of them are probably better for their current team than I am giving them credit for. I wouldn't want to move any assets or sacrifice cap space for either of them.

I would take Trouba over Shattenkirk. But yeah I agree, would rather hold onto the kids than trade for either.

 

[kammy]

Massively overrated. And if not massively overrated, at least somewhat overrated....

any interest in UFA's Kulikov, Wiercioch ?

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

any interest in UFA's Kulikov, Wiercioch ?

Absolutely not. I can't think of one good reason to add a defenseman from outside the organization. I know the ED is an opportunity where guys who wouldn't normally be available are going to be available at a discount, but it's still a cost, and for me, I'd rather pocket that cost and roll with our prospects.

 

[Hiesenberg]

What is with this fan base and adding???

Are you living under a rock these past few weeks/months?

The Flyers have talent to add in their possession already. Why do I want somebody elses cast offs that we will have to overpay?

 

[Rebels57]

any interest in UFA's Kulikov, Wiercioch ?

Provorov
Gostisbehere
Gudas
Sanheim
Morin
Hagg
MacDonald
Manning

Why would be interested in them?

 

[Rebels57]

Shattenkirk has always been overrated. He probably cost himself $1 million on his next contract with his showing in Washington. Doesnt mean he wouldnt help some teams though. NJ for example, would be wise to offer him a $6 × 6 deal. Their NHL D is trash and they have very little in the D pipeline.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

yeah some team will always find a use for the guy. Not sure if he would ever go to NJ tho.

 

[Rebels57]

yeah some team will always find a use for the guy. Not sure if he would ever go to NJ tho.

Maybe the 1st overall pick will entice him. Ya never know.

New York will probably make an offer because they cant help themselves.

Vegas perhaps too.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Shattenkirk isn't leaving the northeast, either the Rangers or Bruins. He's turned down good contract offers already when St. Louis was trying to trade him including one from Tampa Bay. So I don't think it's going to be much of process for him. He has had an idea of where he wants to go for a while now.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Shattenkirk isn't leaving the northeast, either the Rangers or Bruins. He's turned down good contract offers already when St. Louis was trying to trade him including one from Tampa Bay. So I don't think it's going to be much of process for him. He has had an idea of where he wants to go for a while now.

Yeah, he's almost surely going to the Rangers I think, and I'm overjoyed about it, because he is going to devour cap space that they won't be able to spend on someone better.

 

[Lindberg]

yeah some team will always find a use for the guy. Not sure if he would ever go to NJ tho.

Wouldn't surprise me if the NYR didn't want to tender him an offer. They are pretty loaded up cap wise but maybe they make some magic happen?

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

can see a definite bidding war between Boston and the Rangers.
Boston is probably going to lose someone like Millar or McQuaid in the entry draft and Liles will leave. so they will have a spot for him.
The Rangers have Staal on the books for 5 more years, and Girardi 4 and Mcdonagh for 3. they might have to find a sucker for Staal or Giradi unless LV takes one of them.

 

[Curufinwe]

It's 3 years for Girardi. Maybe they will buy him out since the final three years of cap penalties are low at $1,111,111 per year.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/dan-girardi

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

It's 3 years for Girardi. Maybe they will buy him out since the final three years of cap penalties are low at $1,111,111 per year.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/dan-girardi

right. forgot Capfriendly hasnt dropped 16-17 from the list yet.
4 years for Staal and 3 for Girardi. Maybe they wait and see who LV takes.

 

[Curufinwe]

Vegas should take Grabner or Raanta from NYR.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

They'd be stupid to not take Raanta, I think.