Flyers' 2017-18 roster discussion, part 4

[MiamiScreamingEagles]

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Pt. 3 -- http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2221043&page=42
Pt. 2: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?p=131288713#post131288713
Pt. 1: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2172179

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[beetee15]

would anyone hate bringing in Ryan Miller? he's def not looking long term, 2 years max could be a good bridge for cheap

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

i the feeling is with a lot of folks is that he is staying out west.
i would not be opposed tho to a 1 or 2 year deal if he was interested.

 

[Danko]

would anyone hate bringing in Ryan Miller?

i would, i think he's a dick bag.

 

[beetee15]

i would, i think he's a dick bag.

lmao, yeah he could still be upset about the Briere head pat circa 2011

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

It could be because he went out west & played on a team that sucked (sans that short stop in St. Louis) but that guy was a massive whiner in Buffalo. Always complaining to media about somebody who wronged him or the Sabres in his mind.

 

[beetee15]

It could be because he went out west & played on a team that sucked (sans that short stop in St. Louis) but that guy was a massive whiner in Buffalo. Always complaining to media about somebody who wronged him or the Sabres in his mind.

tim and sammy would looooove that

 

[Tripod]

According to IMBD, Millers wife has/is working on 3 projects this year...assuming in LA. That, plus a 2 year old child means he likely will look to stay in the West.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Miller is my #2 option

1) Mason
2) Miller
3) Bernier

 

[The Madrigal]

I would pass on Miller. My preferences are as follows:

1. Ben Bishop
2. Steve Mason
3. Jonathan Bernier
4. Brian Elliott
5. Jaroslav Halak (trade)

 

[Lord Defect]

I know it would never happen but I'd love to see what we could do with Ilya on our roster.
2018 1st + Myers/Hagg for Kolvachuk.

Ilya - Giroux - Simmonds
Lindblom - Nico/Nolan - Voracek
TK - Coots - Schenn
Cousins - Filppula - Laughton

/Bellmare/Read/Weise/Raffl/Weal/Vecchione/etc.

 

[CanadianSniper]

I know it would never happen but I'd love to see what we could do with Ilya on our roster.
2018 1st + Myers/Hagg for Kolvachuk.

Ilya - Giroux - Simmonds
Lindblom - Nico/Nolan - Voracek
TK - Coots - Schenn
Cousins - Filppula - Laughton

/Bellmare/Read/Weise/Raffl/Weal/Vecchione/etc.

While you're at it why don't you send them Sanheim and the 2nd overall while you're at it?
New Jersey won't be getting anything close to that for Kovalchuk.

 

[Jack de la Hoya]

Bishop's rights to Dallas for a 4th.

 

[Lord Defect]

While you're at it why don't you send them Sanheim and the 2nd overall while you're at it?
New Jersey won't be getting anything close to that for Kovalchuk.

A first and a player isn't all that much considering the Devils probably don't want to trade to a rival, and in my pipe dream that's a really late first round pick.

 

[The Madrigal]

Bishop's rights to Dallas for a 4th.

Probably eliminates him as an option. After what Dallas has gone through with the goalie position the last few years I expect them to give Bishop a long term deal paying him a lot of money and ensure that they didn't trade that pick for nothing. They will bid against themselves just as Carolina did with Scott Darling.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Myers slash Hagg? As if they are equal prospects?

 

[Ruck Over]

They will bid against themselves just as Carolina did with Scott Darling.

Reminiscent of Bryzgalov.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

A first and a player isn't all that much considering the Devils probably don't want to trade to a rival, and in my pipe dream that's a really late first round pick.

You're severely underrating Myers by putting him in the same conversation as Hagg.

Kovalchuk is 34 and needs a contract. I'd imagine the price ends up around a 2 and a run of the mill prospect.

 

[Curufinwe]

There's a huge gap between 4/16.6 and 9/51, especially with the cap being higher now than in 2011.

 

[Lord Defect]

You're severely underrating Myers by putting him in the same conversation as Hagg.

Kovalchuk is 34 and needs a contract. I'd imagine the price ends up around a 2 and a run of the mill prospect.

I love Myers but his concussion history coupled with his style of play scares me in the long run. Of our current D those are the two I would consider "expendable". I would consider Hagg ready before Myers but being lesser of the two players.
Am I wrong in thinking that Kovalchuk has a current one year contract or is he considered a free agent?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

You're severely underrating Myers by putting him in the same conversation as Hagg.

Kovalchuk is 34 and needs a contract. I'd imagine the price ends up around a 2 and a run of the mill prospect.

Yeah Radulov was 29-30 years old & it only cost Montreal $5.75 on a one year deal. There really wasn't any downside given the investment there. If it didn't work out they walked away after the year only losing the money which isn't a big deal to a club like that. Nobody is going to give a lot of value in assets for an older player who's in his mid-thirty's & probably on a similar contract with Kovalchuk who hasn't played in the NHL for four years now.

Even Shipachyov didn't come with much risk at 30 years old & never playing in the NHL. A two year deal at $4.5M for a team starting from scratch. The attractiveness of these KHL (or overseas) players is that they're not really costing a lot in commitment. Teams aren't really needed to given assets up for them in most cases & the contracts aren't really investing a whole lot. Usually short term with some decent coin to but nothing earth shattering.

 

[Rebels57]

I know it would never happen but I'd love to see what we could do with Ilya on our roster.
2018 1st + Myers/Hagg for Kolvachuk.

Ilya - Giroux - Simmonds
Lindblom - Nico/Nolan - Voracek
TK - Coots - Schenn
Cousins - Filppula - Laughton

/Bellmare/Read/Weise/Raffl/Weal/Vecchione/etc.

That is a disgustingly gross offer for a past-his prime flake.

 

[TCTC]

We don't even need Kovalchuk. We're not as desperate as Montreal was last summer and our depth on wing is fine as it is.
I wouldn't trade anything of worth for him.

 

[Lord Defect]

That is a disgustingly gross offer for a past-his prime flake.

What would be a more realistic offer to convince jersey to trade to a rival?

 

[Rebels57]

What would be a more realistic offer to convince jersey to trade to a rival?

So we should overpay for a well past his prime player because he's on a rival?



A realistic offer is whatever he is actual value is, and if NJ didn't want to make the deal, you move on.

As others have mentioned, he's worth no more than a 2nd and B prospect at this point. If he comes back and looks awesome, his value may go up. As of right now, it's not very high.