Flames' Prospect Pool Ranked 6th in NHL

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http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articl...spect-pool-vaults-buffalo-sabres-to-top-spot/

We're finally getting recognized. Feaster sucked at trades, but he and his crew sure knew how to draft players.

Buffalo in 5 years is going to be dangerous with what they've got.

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[herashak]

I'll take it

 

[marbsarebad]

With this draft we'll probably go up to third, maybe second.

Especially if we get Bennett/Reinhart and two defensive prospects in the second round.

 

[InfinityIggy]

I wouldn't take some of the pools ahead of ours either..ala Chicago.

Pretty exciting! Hopefully some of them pan out

 

[marbsarebad]

I wouldn't take some of the pools ahead of ours either..ala Chicago.

Pretty exciting! Hopefully some of them pan out

Hell, I like Granlund more than I like Teuvo and he's not even included on our top 5 on the list.

 

[TheHudlinator]

Knight at 4 overall, a head of Granlund

 

[Lunatik]

Knight at 4 overall, a head of Granlund

That's because they rank Knight as more of a sure thing. They have Granlund @ 7C and Knight @ 6.5B, which makes a ton of sense to me.

Granlund is less likely than Knight to be an NHL regular IMO, while Knight is better defensively.

Also I think I forgot Sieloff on my prospect list

 

[TheHudlinator]

That's because they rank Knight as more of a sure thing. They have Granlund @ 7C and Knight @ 6.5B, which makes a ton of sense to me.

Granlund is less likely than Knight to be an NHL regular IMO, while Knight is better defensively.

Also I think I forgot Sieloff on my prospect list

I also disagree with the 7 C

Granlund's biggest knock always seemed to be that no one thought he could produce without his brother. Well he did almost as well as his brother at the same age. Knight may be a safe pick but that doesn't mean I think Granlund's vastly higher potential should be ignored. I also personally think Arnold is the better of the 2 (between Arnold and Knight) so having Knight there is very strange to me.

Also if we are going by safe picks how does Janko beat out Granlund?

 

[TheClassicK*]

Yeah, don't understand why Granlund is behind Jankowski. It should be more like Gaudreau - Baertschi - Granlund - Reinhart - Wotherspoon

 

[Mr Lebowski]

Gaudreau - Baertschi - Poirier - Jankowski - Wotherspoon - Gillies

 

[Lunatik]

I also disagree with the 7 C

Granlund's biggest knock always seemed to be that no one thought he could produce without his brother. Well he did almost as well as his brother at the same age. Knight may be a safe pick but that doesn't mean I think Granlund's vastly higher potential should be ignored. I also personally think Arnold is the better of the 2 (between Arnold and Knight) so having Knight there is very strange to me.

Also if we are going by safe picks how does Janko beat out Granlund?

I think you really underrate Knight, like extremely so. He only had 2 points fewer than Granlund, he may have had more games played, but he never had set linemates (where Granlund was almost exclusively with Reinhart) and never received first line minutes (3rd line more often than not). Knight is also bigger and more physical, better defensively, better on draws and from what I saw more of a leader.

And they aren't just going by "safe picks", they just think the difference between 6.5 and 7 is overcome by him being more likely to achieve his potential. They also have Janko with higher end potential than Granlund (which I agree with 100%) and the same odds of reaching their potential (which I also agree with).

The way I look at HF ranking is like this. I automatically subtract points for the letter. Since 7c means it could drop 2 rankings, so I just subtract the 2. So I see Granlund as a 5 and Knight as a 5.5. So since Janko is a 7.5c, I see him as a 5.5 too, but since B>c, that is why they have Knight ahead of Janko. But is Janko was an 8c, then he would slip ahead of Knight. I don't necessarily agree with their rankings, but that is how I break them down to understand. In the end they are all extremely close and no one is right or wrong.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I actually think we should be ranked higher and same with the Isles. None of the Sabres guys wow me at all outside of Ristolanen and Zadorov. Nice to get recognition though. And it's also nice we can debate so much between our guys because they are all pretty good. Culkin and Kulak are pretty darn good guys, and they aren't even top 15 in my books, that's impressive!

 

[Mr Lebowski]

SO excited for the Flame prospects. Can't wait for Gaudreau, I mean he's just gonna be fun to watch. Then Baertschi has really improved his defensive game. He was on pace for 35 points in the NHL the after they put him back on left wing in Abby he lit up the AHL. Poirier has really exceed my expectations, did really well in the Q and proved he can play pro in Abby. Loved the play of Knight, Granludn and Reinhart when called upon. Still have no clue about Jankowski but Wotherpsoon played like a top 4 defenseman. I liked Morgan Klimchuk's play a lot, he can fit in any role. Agostino played well up for a few games. In net Gillies and Ortio are solid tenders.

 

[Volica]

I see the Flames as a top 5 team; if they had a high end defensive prospect to be honest. While there's a few guys there that could develop into that stud, there's no one there that's currently on that path.

 

[Noori]

I think Granlund, Poirier, and Gillies are ahead of Knight and Jankowski. I kind of wish Knight was more of a banger. He's not really fast enough to play in the top-9. If he can be a faceoff specialist on the 4th line who also pays a greasy game then I think he'll have a shot of being an NHL regular. As it stands right now, I'm not too sure about Knight.

 

[TheClassicK*]

I actually think we should be ranked higher and same with the Isles. None of the Sabres guys wow me at all outside of Ristolanen and Zadorov. Nice to get recognition though. And it's also nice we can debate so much between our guys because they are all pretty good. Culkin and Kulak are pretty darn good guys, and they aren't even top 15 in my books, that's impressive!

Buffalo also has McNabb and McCabe, who are potential top 4 defensemen with great offensive upside. Their defense is absolutely stacked, probably better than Edmonton's imo.

Myers - Pysyk - Ristolainen - Zadorov - McNabb - McCabe is pretty good-looking for their future. I think they're all top 4 material, we should snag one of them.

 

[Wintersun]

Buffalo also has McNabb and McCabe, who are potential top 4 defensemen with great offensive upside. Their defense is absolutely stacked, probably better than Edmonton's imo.

Myers - Pysyk - Ristolainen - Zadorov - McNabb - McCabe is pretty good-looking for their future. I think they're all top 4 material, we should snag one of them.

McNabb is a Kings now.

 

[TheClassicK*]

McNabb is a Kings now.

Whoops, my bad.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Pysyk and McCabe are good players, but I don't see him as much if any better than Wotherspoon or Sieloff.

 

[TheClassicK*]

Pysyk and McCabe are good players, but I don't see him as much if any better than Wotherspoon or Sieloff.

You think so? I thought Pysyk looked really good this season for Buffalo and McCabe obviously is a known talent. Pysyk accomplished more than Wotherspoon when he was at the same age, and in terms of potential they're both going to be solid two-way defensemen with limited offensive upside, but I think Pysyk has more offense in him than Wotherspoon.

As for Sieloff and McCabe, the latter's obviously the offensive defenseman while Sieloff is the mean shut-down defender. Hard to say who's "better" but Sieloff did miss a year of development so I'd have to say McCabe is the "better" choice in this case. McCabe is certainly the type of blueliner we lack in the system though.

 

[TheHudlinator]

I think you really underrate Knight, like extremely so. He only had 2 points fewer than Granlund, he may have had more games played, but he never had set linemates (where Granlund was almost exclusively with Reinhart) and never received first line minutes (3rd line more often than not). Knight is also bigger and more physical, better defensively, better on draws and from what I saw more of a leader.

And they aren't just going by "safe picks", they just think the difference between 6.5 and 7 is overcome by him being more likely to achieve his potential. They also have Janko with higher end potential than Granlund (which I agree with 100%) and the same odds of reaching their potential (which I also agree with).

The way I look at HF ranking is like this. I automatically subtract points for the letter. Since 7c means it could drop 2 rankings, so I just subtract the 2. So I see Granlund as a 5 and Knight as a 5.5. So since Janko is a 7.5c, I see him as a 5.5 too, but since B>c, that is why they have Knight ahead of Janko. But is Janko was an 8c, then he would slip ahead of Knight. I don't necessarily agree with their rankings, but that is how I break them down to understand. In the end they are all extremely close and no one is right or wrong.

I understand what your saying, I disagree with their rankings/ how they rank them.

IMO

JG
Sven
Reinhart
Granlund
Poirier

should be our top 5

 

[Skobel24]

Gaudreau
Baertschi
Poirier
Wotherspoon
Gillies

 

[Mr Lebowski]

Gaudreau
Baertschi
Poirier
Wotherspoon
Gillies

almost my list.

1. Gaudreau
2. Baertschi
3. Poirier
4. Jankowski
5. Wotherspoon
6. Gillies
7. Klimchuk
8. Reinhart
9. Granlund
10. Ortio

 

[Lunatik]

I understand what your saying, I disagree with their rankings/ how they rank them.

IMO

JG
Sven
Reinhart
Granlund
Poirier

should be our top 5

I disagree with them alot too. I think we all do. Unfortunately there is no perfect system for ranking players. And none of us has seen all of the prospects extensively to actually rank them properly (I also doubt the HF writer has as well)

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

Rankings are unreliable. Just peoples opinions really. Our 7th this year could hypothetically become the best prospect we have in a couple of seasons or next. I can't rank any prospects really, but the ones I can rank were mostly everybody would agree are Gaudreau and Baerstchi. Everyone else is up in the air.

Example, Haula on Minny. Barely anybody who knew who the guy was. He is a 7th round pick and now next season most likely a regular and currently one of the better prospects in the organization now.