GDT: Flames @ Canes 11/10 7PM: #FreeZachBoychuk Edition

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Although I will say that it seems like trying to get a handle on lines is pointless, so far it looks like everyone will have played with everyone by the time the year's done...

 

[bluedevil58*]

Here is to watching Malone on the 1st line with Staal and Semin.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't see why you couldn't play him with Semin and Tlusty as a 2nd line.

yes..that's where I'm at also

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Here is to watching Staal and Semin on the 4th line with Malone.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Ole Gil]

2012-14 (~580 ES minutes)

Skinner with Jordan: 53.9 CF%
Just Skinner: 50.3 CF%
Just Jordan: 54.0 CF%

Attempts against/20 have been very low while together, though they've still been scored on quite a bit. But Skinner "with" Khudobin has actually been pretty good -- 55.0 GF% compared to under 45 GF% with Ward and Peters, so I'm wondering if poor goaltender play has had something to do with it. It's worth trying again at some point.

Skinner's defensive mistakes lead to high quality chances. The problem with Jeff/Jordan was never in the offensive zone. It's that Jeff misses assignments, turns the puck over, and gets beat on the boards cleanly. When he's doing that against other teams top lines, that GF% will go down in a hurry regardless of Corsi.

Historically, Jeff has always had one of the lower On ice Save%'s on the team. That matches what I see with my eyeballs.

 

[nobuddy]

Skinner's defensive mistakes lead to high quality chances. The problem with Jeff/Jordan was never in the offensive zone. It's that Jeff misses assignments, turns the puck over, and gets beat on the boards cleanly. When he's doing that against other teams top lines, that GF% will go down in a hurry regardless of Corsi.

Historically, Jeff has always had one of the lower On ice Save%'s on the team. That matches what I see with my eyeballs.

Explain why his corsi lines up with his GF% with above average Khudobin in net and not ****** Ward and ****** Peters.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Explain why his corsi lines up with his GF% with above average Khudobin in net and not ****** Ward and ****** Peters.

Explain why everyone with a set of eyes can see that Skinner isn't good defensively.

 

[What the Faulk]

Well, he isn't, but I think it's more along the lines of his lapses lead to high quality chances rather than that he's just consistently bad at covering his guy. In other words, he and Jordan both screw up 1 out of every 20, but Skinner's mistakes are worse than Jordan's.

In any case, I don't think it's a big deal to see what they look like together again.

 

[Ole Gil]

Jeff Skinner 5v5 on ice sv% .902, .890, .900, .915
Hurricanes 5v5 on ice sv% .921, .908, .918, .921

To get to PDO 100, Jeff has to have an on ice s% of 10ish. He doesn't. So to keep his CF% and GF% in line, he'd need to have a higher CF than he would if his on-ice s% = on-ice sv%.

Why it worked out with Anton:

1) Jeff was scoring more goals. His GF20 was .9 with Anton vs. .6 with Cam. This was despite having a lower CF20 with Anton in net. Unless you are blaming this on Anton's superior playmaking, it's not relevant.

2) If a Goalie has the 5th best ev sv% in the league (above average goaltending), everyone gets a bump from that.

Simpler answer: Jeff scored a lot more than normal, and Anton saved a lot more than normal. Stats get inflated.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Jeff Skinner 5v5 on ice sv% .902, .890, .900, .915
Hurricanes 5v5 on ice sv% .921, .908, .918, .921

To get to PDO 100, Jeff has to have an on ice s% of 10ish. He doesn't. So to keep his CF% and GF% in line, he'd need to have a higher CF than he would if his on-ice s% = on-ice sv%.

Why it worked out with Anton:

1) Jeff was scoring more goals. His GF20 was .9 with Anton vs. .6 with Cam. This was despite having a lower CF20 with Anton in net. Unless you are blaming this on Anton's superior playmaking, it's not relevant.

2) If a Goalie has the 5th best ev sv% in the league (above average goaltending), everyone gets a bump from that.

Simpler answer: Jeff scored a lot more than normal, and Anton saved a lot more than normal. Stats get inflated.

I prefer the non advanced stats Wally.