News Article: Five Questions with GMGM

Karl Eriksson

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94% of tickets sold to local residents bucks the preconceived notion many like myself have that the big strip casinos will own a significant amount of ticketa for basically promotional purposes.

Good for Vegas.
 

VanIslander

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94% of tickets sold to local residents bucks the preconceived notion many like myself have that the big strip casinos will own a significant amount of ticketa for basically promotional purposes.
Well, to be exact, that 94% includes "small businesses" in his comment. How do you define small business? A guy who owns one hotel and casino? There could very well be several "small" businesses buying a bunch of season tickets to comp.
 

BattleBorn

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Well, to be exact, that 94% includes "small businesses" in his comment. How do you define small business? A guy who owns one hotel and casino? There could very well be several "small" businesses buying a bunch of season tickets to comp.

There's actually legal definitions of what small businesses are. A person owning a casino would likely not apply, the local Coldwell Banker real estate office likely would.
 

VanIslander

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There's actually legal definitions of what small businesses are.
There are actual legal definitions of what is and is not in a city, but you pooh-pooh legality when it's pointed out the team will not be playing in the legal municipality of "Las Vegas". Now you're citing it as a deciding factor?

To the point: Do you think GM McPhee was thinking of a legal definition when he mentioned "small businesses"?

By the way, the Las Vegas Small Business Association award winner this year was EggWorks, which owns a chain of six restaurants locally.

https://www.sba.gov/about-sba/sba-n...nces-2016-nevada-small-business-award-winners

That small business might have bought a half dozen season tickets. More importantly, if a SIX-restaurant chain is small business, owning a hotel or casino certainly is!
 

sabresfan65

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There are actual legal definitions of what is and is not in a city, but you pooh-pooh legality when it's pointed out the team will not be playing in the legal municipality of "Las Vegas". Now you're citing it as a deciding factor?

To the point: Do you think GM McPhee was thinking of a legal definition when he mentioned "small businesses"?

By the way, the Las Vegas Small Business Association award winner this year was EggWorks, which owns a chain of six restaurants locally.

https://www.sba.gov/about-sba/sba-n...nces-2016-nevada-small-business-award-winners

That small business might have bought a half dozen season tickets. More importantly, if a SIX-restaurant chain is small business, owning a hotel or casino certainly is!

There are 3 strip (or near strip) casinos with gaming revenue less than $12 million. Of them only the Ellis Island is privately owned. The cut off for small business is $7.5 million in the retail sector, so perhaps it is below the threshold. Keep in mind that this is only gaming revenue and not including hotel, food and drink revenue. The casinos buying up a bunch of tickets as a small business just isn't going to fly.
 

BattleBorn

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There are actual legal definitions of what is and is not in a city, but you pooh-pooh legality when it's pointed out the team will not be playing in the legal municipality of "Las Vegas". Now you're citing it as a deciding factor?

To the point: Do you think GM McPhee was thinking of a legal definition when he mentioned "small businesses"?

By the way, the Las Vegas Small Business Association award winner this year was EggWorks, which owns a chain of six restaurants locally.

https://www.sba.gov/about-sba/sba-n...nces-2016-nevada-small-business-award-winners

That small business might have bought a half dozen season tickets. More importantly, if a SIX-restaurant chain is small business, owning a hotel or casino certainly is!

I just don't really understand your attachment to the Las Vegas vs Paradise thing. I realize it's a fairly unique municipal setup for a large city, but the arena is in "Las Vegas," it's just not in the City of Las Vegas.

Like I said before, if you sign legal documents with a notary in Paradise they'll say that they were signed at Las Vegas, Nevada or Clark County, Nevada. They would almost certainly not say Paradise, NV. Hell, The University of Nevada Las Vegas is in Paradise. Paradise doesn't really exist as anything other than a way for Clark County to keep portions of the county organized and to get the input of the local residents via a town advisory board. There's tons of other examples of this in Clark County like Whitney, Enterprise, Spring Valley (which is larger than just the Spring Valley neighborhood,) Lone Mountain, Winchester, etc. yet nobody would say they work in Lone Mountain.

Heck, even the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police have to call their dispatcher when they're writing tickets to find out whether they're in the city or the county to make sure they send people to the correct traffic court. People don't know whether they're in the City or the County until they get property taxes, and even then they'd be hard pressed to tell you which town within Clark County they live.

Mailing something to the T-Mobile Arena with the address of Paradise, NV isn't even acceptable by the USPS. https://tools.usps.com/go/ZipLookup...state=Select&urbanCode=&postalCode=89158&zip= (notice that addressing it to City Center, which was the temporary name of that MGM Resorts development is listed as a recognized name, but Paradise is not.)

Want to mail your input directly to the Paradise Town Advisory Board at the Paradise Park Community Center? Don't address it to Paradise: https://tools.usps.com/go/ZipLookup...state=Select&urbanCode=&postalCode=89121&zip=



To the point of the small business thing, there are legal definitions. While he may not be using the legal definitions to the word, trying to fit a casino into a small business category would be deceptive. I'd tend to think he's being honest and that these businesses are small business versus assuming he's lying to cover up the fact that casinos purchased the tickets.
 

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