First - second scorer in team

[likid]

I decided to do following analyse. I checked each team first and second player in points and difference between them. To see, how can one team be dependent on individual player.

To show, what I mean, lets look at first in this table:

New Jersey Devils - Taylor Hall 68 points, Nico Hirsher 41 points , difference 27 points

New Jersey Devils Taylor Hall 27 Los Angeles Kings Anze Kopitar 26 Winnipeg Jets Blake Wheeler 20 Edmonton Oilers Connor McDavid 18 Chicago Blackhawks Patrick Kane 16 Calgary Flames Johnny Gaudreau 15 Ottawa Senators Mark Stone 13 Colorado Avalanche Nathan MacKinnon 12 Columbus Blue Jackets Artemi Pannarin 12 Minnesota Wild Eric Stall 11 Tampa Bay Lightning Nikita Kucherov 11 Vancouver Canucks Brock Boeser 10 Washington Capitals Alex Ovechkin 10 Anaheim Ducks Richard Rakell 9 Buffalo Sabres Jack Eichel 7 Pittsburgh Penguins Evgeni Malkin 6 Arizona Coyotes Clayton Keller 5 Detroit Red Wings Dylan Larkin 5 Philadelphia Flyers Claude Giroux 5 Vegas Golden Knights Jonathan Marchessault 5 Nashville Predators P.K. Subban 4 Boston Bruins Brad Marchand 3 New York Islanders Mathew Barzal 3 New York Rangers Mats Zuccarrello 3 Toronto Maple Leafs Mitchell Marner 3 Florida Panthers Alexander Barkov 2 St. Louis Blues Brayden Scheen 2 Dallas Stars Alexander Radulov 1 San Jose Sharks Brent Burns 1 Montreal Canadiens Max Pacioretty 0 [TBODY] [/TBODY]

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[Makar Goes Fast]

in this thread i learned that radulov was leading dallas in scoring. not super surprising, but i mean seguin and benn.

 

[swissexpert]

Wheeler is 20 ahead of the Scheifele-Laine-Ehlers force? Wow!

Edit: ah I see Scheif has missed 15 games, would be closer otherwise. Still another impressive season by Big Blake!

 

[TaLoN]

You should also factor in games played... as some players are benefiting from more games over the #2 scorer.

Staal has 11 more points than Granlund, but also has played 5 more games. That's potentially 5pts padding the gap for Staal (using Granlund's scoring pace, 4.5 points over a 5 game stretch rounds up to 5pts), and drastically affects his ranking on your list. IE a difference of being a top 10 most relied on scorer vs tied for 15th

 

[Wo Yorfat]

I would have lost all of my monies betting against Brayden Schenn leading the Blues in scoring this late in the season.

 

[Haatley]

You should also factor in games played... as some players are benefiting from more games over the #2 scorer.

Staal has 11 more points than Granlund, but also has played 5 more games. That's potentially 5pts padding the gap for Staal (using Granlund's scoring pace, 4.5 points over a 5 game stretch rounds up to 5pts), and drastically affects his ranking on your list. IE a difference of being a top 10 most relied on scorer vs tied for 15th

Why not just keep it simple?

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Why not just keep it simple?

Because then its just bullshit

 

[Haatley]

Because then its just bull****

Not really. I think durability and total points is more important than points per game.

 

[Puck93]

Its amazing how Kopitar isn't in any conversation for Hart trophy, he plays in every situation pp/pk, 2nd most TOI amongs forwards in league, playing w/o their 2nd line center(Carter) through entire year leading Kings to playoffs, has 26 points lead on second scorer on team(70 to 44) with linemates of Brown and Iaffalo(undrafted rookie) while playing Selke defense. LA Kings are first in GA/GP, second in PK and he's the anchor. Someone explain to me how is Hall above him in terms of influence he has on his team winning. You remove him from this years team and they are playing for 1. draft pick.

 

[TaLoN]

Not really. I think durability and total points is more important than points per game.

Yes and no... Missing only 5 games is pretty damned durable as well... Missing 15-20? I could see the argument.

 

[jetsforever]

Wheeler for MVP
Hall/Kopitar/etc. are good options as well

 

[Romang67]

Wheeler is 20 ahead of the Scheifele-Laine-Ehlers force? Wow!

Edit: ah I see Scheif has missed 15 games, would be closer otherwise. Still another impressive season by Big Blake!

Wheeler stepped in as the #1C while Scheifele was out too. There is really no way to overstate how impressive a season he has had.

 

[Figgzfood]

Unless I glanced over it, Carolina has a 1 point difference with Teravainen in first.

SJ and NSH have a D man as top scorer, and OTT, CBJ have a D man in 2nd with NSH having a D and F tired for second. Doesn't change anything, just noting.

 

[MajorLeafsFan]

Wheeler for MVP
Hall/Kopitar/etc. are good options as well

I actually have Wheeler in my Hart picks for the year.

 

[MajorLeafsFan]

Unless I glanced over it, Carolina has a 1 point difference with Teravainen in first.

SJ and NSH have a D man as top scorer, and OTT, CBJ have a D man in 2nd with NSH having a D and F tired for second. Doesn't change anything, just noting.

Not to mention John Klingberg is 2 pts back of Rads for first on the Stars.

 

[RDTBay4]

All this list shows me is that those players near the top do not drastically improve the play of players around them.

 

[Binister]

Wheeler is 20 ahead of the Scheifele-Laine-Ehlers force? Wow!

Edit: ah I see Scheif has missed 15 games, would be closer otherwise. Still another impressive season by Big Blake!

After 63 games TOI/G:
Blake Wheeler - 20:19
Patrik Laine - 16:34
Nikolaj Ehlers - 16:06

Wheeler has played around 270 minutes more on ice than Ehlers and Laine while having Scheifele as his center. Not so impressive anymore?

 

[Little Psycho]

Its amazing how Kopitar isn't in any conversation for Hart trophy, he plays in every situation pp/pk, 2nd most TOI amongs forwards in league, playing w/o their 2nd line center(Carter) through entire year leading Kings to playoffs, has 26 points lead on second scorer on team(70 to 44) with linemates of Brown and Iaffalo(undrafted rookie) while playing Selke defense. LA Kings are first in GA/GP, second in PK and he's the anchor. Someone explain to me how is Hall above him in terms of influence he has on his team winning. You remove him from this years team and they are playing for 1. draft pick.

Louder for the people in the back.

 

[blundluntman]

The gap between Mackinnon and Rants is sorta misleading since Mack missed 8 games

 

[Lays]

in this thread i learned that radulov was leading dallas in scoring. not super surprising, but i mean seguin and benn.

Klingberg as well. I knew he was having a really good season but I'm really impressed

 

[swissexpert]

After 63 games TOI/G:
Blake Wheeler - 20:19
Patrik Laine - 16:34
Nikolaj Ehlers - 16:06

Wheeler has played around 270 minutes more on ice than Ehlers and Laine while having Scheifele as his center. Not so impressive anymore?

SH time on ice:
Wheeler 81:59
Ehlers 01:05
Laine 00:06

Still very impressed. Wheeler has more assists than any teammate has points. He also faces tougher competition and is defensively responsible.
One of the most underrated players in the league.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

All this list shows me is that those players near the top do not drastically improve the play of players around them.

Wheeler, Kane, McDavid, Kopitar and Gaudreau don't make players around them better... d'ok.

 

[Bank Shot]

All this list shows me is that those players near the top do not drastically improve the play of players around them.

You would have thought Gretzky was terrible at that.

 

[Johno]

Not to mention John Klingberg is 2 pts back of Rads for first on the Stars.

He is still fourth in team scoring. Great in-team race as all four Rads, Benn, Seguin and Klinger are within two points of each other.

 

[swissexpert]

You would have thought Gretzky was terrible at that.

Meanwhile, I present you the real heros of this league: Brouwers, Rinaldo, Paajarvi, Eriksson. They do improve their teammates so drastically, that everyone has more points than them. Amazing!